Three Strikes
03-22-2007, 08:59 AM
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[QUOTE=SkyHigh;136398]Strike one Not an ex-military pilot. That is one strike against you.
Strike two You don't come from a prominent aviation family with strong ties in the airlines. That is strike two.
Strike three You have a DUI, are overweight, no college, older than most, took to long to upgrade, was fired during initial training at a regional, are not overly attractive, can not play golf, Lack people skills, HR gal was having a bad day and a huge number of other silly reasons that you can have your dreams rubbed out.
It is possible to get hired at a major with three strikes but not very likely. If anyone does a little research on new hire classes at the majors it becomes easy to find a pattern.
Skyhigh,
Clearly that is not the case at UPS.
1. They hire lots of folks from all backgrounds. Military not favored over civil career folks.
2. UPS could care less. They also have a nepotism rule that rules out family.
Many folks get hired with no letter of recommendation.
3. They hire 49-50 year olds. Several recently. Attractive has nothing to do with it, UPS doesn't play golf, you are supposed to give your life to Brown <g>
DUI's can kill you as well as a lack of people skills, but that is the same in lots of jobs.
Certainly there are things that help, they prefer a college degree. Will hire folks with commensurate experience without one, but is more rare these days.
They also hire folks who have a green card.
Is it a hard job to get? Yes, but it is not rigged.
When I mentor young folks interested in aviation (anything actually)
I like the Calvin Coolidge quote:
"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent."
I have seen many not persist, that is fine, everyone has different criteria and thresholds. Does not mean one cannot succeed in flying as a profession. Depends how bad your disease <g>.
I have seen way too many people have successful careers, despite challenges and seemingly overwhelming obstacles. Best to you!
Strike two You don't come from a prominent aviation family with strong ties in the airlines. That is strike two.
Strike three You have a DUI, are overweight, no college, older than most, took to long to upgrade, was fired during initial training at a regional, are not overly attractive, can not play golf, Lack people skills, HR gal was having a bad day and a huge number of other silly reasons that you can have your dreams rubbed out.
It is possible to get hired at a major with three strikes but not very likely. If anyone does a little research on new hire classes at the majors it becomes easy to find a pattern.
Skyhigh,
Clearly that is not the case at UPS.
1. They hire lots of folks from all backgrounds. Military not favored over civil career folks.
2. UPS could care less. They also have a nepotism rule that rules out family.
Many folks get hired with no letter of recommendation.
3. They hire 49-50 year olds. Several recently. Attractive has nothing to do with it, UPS doesn't play golf, you are supposed to give your life to Brown <g>
DUI's can kill you as well as a lack of people skills, but that is the same in lots of jobs.
Certainly there are things that help, they prefer a college degree. Will hire folks with commensurate experience without one, but is more rare these days.
They also hire folks who have a green card.
Is it a hard job to get? Yes, but it is not rigged.
When I mentor young folks interested in aviation (anything actually)
I like the Calvin Coolidge quote:
"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent."
I have seen many not persist, that is fine, everyone has different criteria and thresholds. Does not mean one cannot succeed in flying as a profession. Depends how bad your disease <g>.
I have seen way too many people have successful careers, despite challenges and seemingly overwhelming obstacles. Best to you!
03-22-2007, 09:05 AM
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I think he means guys flying for foreign carriers, not military.
03-22-2007, 11:05 AM
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Sorry, Skyhigh -- you've tilted at yet another windmill. I'm living in my hometown, in the heart of the Mid-South. I don't understand why you can't just read what I said without resorting to a lame attempt to ridicule me personally. I think you've got some resentment issues, and it's really not pretty to see you share them here.
Some of the "strikes" you mentioned in your post are certainly beyond your control (your family heritage). Others are obstacles that require hard work and determination to overcome (a college education). Yet others are the result of stupidity on your part (DUI). Take responsibility, and move on. Your kids deserve that in a dad.
Desperation? Study that face in the mirror when you shave in the morning carefully. You can't change the past, but you can control your own actions from this point on. You don't have to look so desperate -- it's your choice.
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03-22-2007, 04:43 PM
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Sorry
Whew. I just looked out the window to double-check. Sometimes a good night's sleep can cloud the memory.
Sorry, Skyhigh -- you've tilted at yet another windmill. I'm living in my hometown, in the heart of the Mid-South. I don't understand why you can't just read what I said without resorting to a lame attempt to ridicule me personally. I think you've got some resentment issues, and it's really not pretty to see you share them here.
Some of the "strikes" you mentioned in your post are certainly beyond your control (your family heritage). Others are obstacles that require hard work and determination to overcome (a college education). Yet others are the result of stupidity on your part (DUI). Take responsibility, and move on. Your kids deserve that in a dad.
Desperation? Study that face in the mirror when you shave in the morning carefully. You can't change the past, but you can control your own actions from this point on. You don't have to look so desperate -- it's your choice.
.
Sorry, Skyhigh -- you've tilted at yet another windmill. I'm living in my hometown, in the heart of the Mid-South. I don't understand why you can't just read what I said without resorting to a lame attempt to ridicule me personally. I think you've got some resentment issues, and it's really not pretty to see you share them here.
Some of the "strikes" you mentioned in your post are certainly beyond your control (your family heritage). Others are obstacles that require hard work and determination to overcome (a college education). Yet others are the result of stupidity on your part (DUI). Take responsibility, and move on. Your kids deserve that in a dad.
Desperation? Study that face in the mirror when you shave in the morning carefully. You can't change the past, but you can control your own actions from this point on. You don't have to look so desperate -- it's your choice.
.
SkyHigh
03-22-2007, 04:46 PM
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03-22-2007, 05:13 PM
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[QUOTE=desertdog71;136418]Yeah since pulling down 6 figures and flying boxes is the only way to be happy. 
You hang around this forum for some reason. What is it?[/QUOTE]
you took the words right out of my mouth. Besides, what else are we supposed to do? Well I guess we can become police officers!
You hang around this forum for some reason. What is it?[/QUOTE]
you took the words right out of my mouth. Besides, what else are we supposed to do? Well I guess we can become police officers!
03-22-2007, 05:20 PM
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Well I dont have any family in any aviation, I do have a college education, I am in shape and actually good looking, I play golf (not very good) and besides a speeding ticket no other "strikes" I am 26 i think if I do this long enough I might be able to get on with a legacy/major etc...........
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