Airline Job and Flight instruction on side ?
08-23-2017, 01:10 PM
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Airline Job and Flight instruction on side ?
Hey Everyone,
Just wondering after getting a job at one of the regionals coming at it from a flight instruction background, is it possible (legal) to do flight instruction on my days off ?
I spoke to some of my friends who do both and they kind of left it as a gray area.
I know the airline has forms that you can fill out and send out for approval to the HR Dept but being a new hire I wanted to get opinions of the community before I decide to do so.
Just wondering after getting a job at one of the regionals coming at it from a flight instruction background, is it possible (legal) to do flight instruction on my days off ?
I spoke to some of my friends who do both and they kind of left it as a gray area.
I know the airline has forms that you can fill out and send out for approval to the HR Dept but being a new hire I wanted to get opinions of the community before I decide to do so.
08-23-2017, 08:16 PM
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Flight instructing counts as commercial flying and therefore to your quarterly and yearly totals.
It's kind of sour for your primary employer to not be able to schedule you because of the amount of flying you do on the side.
Also consider accidents, incidents or violations affecting your main job and your airline career.
I've chosen not to for several reasons;
I'd consider teaching ground school as that's something I've always enjoyed anyway but no flying.
Not too interested in SE flying for now and I don't want to take away somebody else's ME time.
Somebody who still needs it.
I haven't flown a SE or any piston for that matter in 3.5 years.
I'm slowly starting to think about doing a flight here of there with friends that still fly GA.
It's kind of sour for your primary employer to not be able to schedule you because of the amount of flying you do on the side.
Also consider accidents, incidents or violations affecting your main job and your airline career.
I've chosen not to for several reasons;
I'd consider teaching ground school as that's something I've always enjoyed anyway but no flying.
Not too interested in SE flying for now and I don't want to take away somebody else's ME time.
Somebody who still needs it.
I haven't flown a SE or any piston for that matter in 3.5 years.
I'm slowly starting to think about doing a flight here of there with friends that still fly GA.
08-24-2017, 07:57 PM
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According to FAR 117.23, the only time counted is that flown "by flightcrew members on behalf of any certificate holder or 91K Program Manager". As far as I know, there has never been an interpretation to expand certificate holder to anything beyond 121 or 91k operators. At my last airline, they asked for all commercial hours, but only recorded 121 and 91k hours for FAR 117 purposes. If you wanted to instruct on the side, you only need to inform the CP and have an acknowledgement from him. YMMV.
08-25-2017, 03:19 AM
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And you're incorrect
Besides 117 is the wrong reg as those are rest rules and not cumulative flight times per month/quarter/calendar year.
Assuming that the instructor is receiving compensation, the FAA considers time spent acting as a flight instructor under parts 61 and 141 to be other commercial flying under part 135. Legal Interpretation 1990-32 (Oct. 31, 1990).
Last edited by TiredSoul; 08-25-2017 at 03:29 AM.
08-25-2017, 07:11 AM
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Only outside 121/91k flying counts against your rest/duty/flight time limitations under 117.
Some airlines still have policy limits on ANY outside flying, but you could address that with the airline, it's not regulatory.
08-25-2017, 07:32 AM
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Mmmmm...ok I stand corrected.
So how does the FAA look upon 8 hrs of flight instruction followed by a commute and a 121 revenue leg?
Essentially a self inflicted 16+ hrs duty day?
'Careless and reckless' ?
So how does the FAA look upon 8 hrs of flight instruction followed by a commute and a 121 revenue leg?
Essentially a self inflicted 16+ hrs duty day?
'Careless and reckless' ?
08-25-2017, 08:05 AM
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08-25-2017, 05:26 PM
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You have to declare and sign yourself fit for duty. It's your signature, whether electronic or paper.
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