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08-12-2017, 07:37 AM

#21

tomgoodman

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The old military UHF radio had a "tone" button, with which you could chastise a radio goof, but avoid the risk of making one yourself.

08-12-2017, 07:58 AM

#22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemons

Why even monitor guard?

Because if it's not required by the FARs or AIM (honestly can't remember if it is), most airlines require their crews to do so while not using the #2 radio.

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08-12-2017, 08:07 AM

#23

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Originally Posted by HuggyU2

Not even that is needed.

If no one said anything, 90%+ of the pilots that accidentally come up on Guard will figure it out on their own after their one transmission.

Saying absolutely nothing will result in even less Guard-comm.

I don't think 90 percent is even close to accurate. I've heard it many times when the guard police are not around. People just keep repeating their request and become increasingly annoyed by the lack of a response. I work at Delta, I know this to be true

A single "your on guard" is fine and helpful.

08-12-2017, 08:14 AM

#24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemons

Why even monitor guard?

At Delta it is a requirement to have guard in number 2, if your not using it for ramp or company. This is emphasized almost to the point of being "anal", which is why we are the biggest inadvertent offender.

I just don't listen to it below 10,000.

08-12-2017, 08:30 AM

#25

chrisreedrules

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Originally Posted by DA20god

I can say with confidence that this is mostly PSA and their army of 21 year old croakey wearing top gun never was pilot group. I have on five seperate occasions heard PSA pilots abuse guard and then low and behold the same voice answers a radio call on the radio 1 freq. It's no coincidence you just named all of their domicilies.

I have previously flew at a regional west coast prevalent prior to a legacy and in those years I have never once flown with someone who pulls the guard crap. There would be a serious discussion and pro stands to follow.

That's funny. I've been at PSA for almost 3 years and I've only seen a single (ONE) pilot abuse guard. I commute and sit on the jumpseat often and I've seen mainline abuse it far more frequently.

08-12-2017, 08:31 AM

#26

TheWeatherman

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemons

Why even monitor guard?

CFIs do it all the time because it is hard to train talking over the CTAF or TOWER freq of the ap you just departed the airspace of. It is usually pretty quiet and the bonus is that you are already on the right freq in case you have an emergency.

08-12-2017, 08:31 AM

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WhiskeyDelta

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Found the AIM reference.

6-2-4-d-1

Pilots are encouraged to monitor 121.5 MHz and/or 243.0 MHz while inflight to assist in identifying possible emergency ELT transmissions. On receiving a signal, report the following information to the nearest air traffic facility:

(a) Your position at the time the signal was first heard.

(b) Your position at the time the signal was last heard.

(c) Your position at maximum signal strength.

(d) Your flight altitudes and frequency on which the emergency signal was heard: 121.5 MHz or 243.0 MHz. If possible, positions should be given relative to a navigation aid. If the aircraft has homing equipment, provide the bearing to the emergency signal with each reported position.

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08-12-2017, 08:48 AM

#28

BlueMoon

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Originally Posted by threeighteen

Never understood this either.

I'll do it upon request from ATC, but otherwise VHF 1 is for ATC, VHF 2 is for unicom/Company/ARINC/ATIS/ramp, VHF 3 (if equipped) is for ACARS.

Company policy at some airlines is monitor guard during flight.

08-12-2017, 08:50 AM

#29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by threeighteen

Never understood this either.

I'll do it upon request from ATC, but otherwise VHF 1 is for ATC, VHF 2 is for unicom/Company/ARINC/ATIS/ramp, VHF 3 (if equipped) is for ACARS.

Never understood? You and Lemons are incorrect. If your aircraft is capable, it is required. VHF 2 is for guard unless you're using it for something else temporarily. Then you put it back on guard. Hard to believe there are professional pilots who are not doing this.

From the FDC Notam link below:

"ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATING IN UNITED STATES NATIONAL AIRSPACE, IF CAPABLE, SHALL MAINTAIN A LISTENING WATCH ON VHF GUARD 121.5 OR UHF 243.0"

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publ...d%204-0811.pdf

08-12-2017, 11:27 AM

#30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rickair7777

In case you miss a handoff...

Recent FAA policy is that if ATC has to phone your company to get hold of you via ACARS, they may refer it for enforcement. It's happened to some of our people (do an ASAP if it happens).

Some airline have SELCAL in which they are required to monitor that frequency. My airline used to have SELCAL until they got cheat about 7 years ago.