Ranking the Regionals...
#12
Since most threads are posting in favor of the AA WO flow, I'll present the other side.
Personally, I am not as convinced on the AA WOs. I like how with airlines such as Republic and Skywest, it is possible to get a feel for the company culture of each Legacy that they fly for. One trip may be AA, and the next may be Delta, United, or Alaskan if you're going with Skywest. I find value in getting to explore the ins and outs of each company before committing to one. Then, when it's time to go to a major, I can make an informed decision on which one I want to fly for. With the WO you fly for American, and then you're trapped in the AA system. If you decide to leave the AA system then you're going in more blind than you would be otherwise. Right now, I am still a student working on my flight training, and about 3-4 years from starting a class at a regional. Right now, I want to work for Delta (which may be why I'm not as in love with the flows), but I also realize that once I get to the airlines it won't be all glitz and glamour. I want my regional to let me experience the industry, and get a feel for where I want the rest of my career to go. If I realize I don't want to fly for Delta, then I have learned that lesson before I commit to working for them.
Also, I've heard horror stories of the flow working backwards. For instance an exceptional pilot in the regionals was going through training for his flow, but made a mistake. Then he couldn't move up to the major but couldn't go back down because everyone had already moved up in seniority, and ended up being out of a job.
Overall, any regional will get you to a major. It's a relatively short term phase of life. If the end goal is to make it a major, any of them will get the job done, it just depends what you want to get out of it. Also, I'd say it's important to weigh all of the posted QOL metrics.
Personally, I am not as convinced on the AA WOs. I like how with airlines such as Republic and Skywest, it is possible to get a feel for the company culture of each Legacy that they fly for. One trip may be AA, and the next may be Delta, United, or Alaskan if you're going with Skywest. I find value in getting to explore the ins and outs of each company before committing to one. Then, when it's time to go to a major, I can make an informed decision on which one I want to fly for. With the WO you fly for American, and then you're trapped in the AA system. If you decide to leave the AA system then you're going in more blind than you would be otherwise. Right now, I am still a student working on my flight training, and about 3-4 years from starting a class at a regional. Right now, I want to work for Delta (which may be why I'm not as in love with the flows), but I also realize that once I get to the airlines it won't be all glitz and glamour. I want my regional to let me experience the industry, and get a feel for where I want the rest of my career to go. If I realize I don't want to fly for Delta, then I have learned that lesson before I commit to working for them.
Also, I've heard horror stories of the flow working backwards. For instance an exceptional pilot in the regionals was going through training for his flow, but made a mistake. Then he couldn't move up to the major but couldn't go back down because everyone had already moved up in seniority, and ended up being out of a job.
Overall, any regional will get you to a major. It's a relatively short term phase of life. If the end goal is to make it a major, any of them will get the job done, it just depends what you want to get out of it. Also, I'd say it's important to weigh all of the posted QOL metrics.
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Depending on your military background- 1 year or so can turn into 3 years before your first interview invite. You want to continue to build your resume the whole time.
Regionals with the flow allow quick upgrades and movement in the seniority list which allows you to build hours, upgrade and take resume building jobs within the company.
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Overall, any regional will get you to a major. It's a relatively short term phase of life. If the end goal is to make it a major, any of them will get the job done, it just depends what you want to get out of it. Also, I'd say it's important to weigh all of the posted QOL metrics.
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Since most threads are posting in favor of the AA WO flow, I'll present the other side.
Personally, I am not as convinced on the AA WOs. I like how with airlines such as Republic and Skywest, it is possible to get a feel for the company culture of each Legacy that they fly for. One trip may be AA, and the next may be Delta, United, or Alaskan if you're going with Skywest. I find value in getting to explore the ins and outs of each company before committing to one. Then, when it's time to go to a major, I can make an informed decision on which one I want to fly for. With the WO you fly for American, and then you're trapped in the AA system. If you decide to leave the AA system then you're going in more blind than you would be otherwise. Right now, I am still a student working on my flight training, and about 3-4 years from starting a class at a regional. Right now, I want to work for Delta (which may be why I'm not as in love with the flows), but I also realize that once I get to the airlines it won't be all glitz and glamour. I want my regional to let me experience the industry, and get a feel for where I want the rest of my career to go. If I realize I don't want to fly for Delta, then I have learned that lesson before I commit to working for them.
Also, I've heard horror stories of the flow working backwards. For instance an exceptional pilot in the regionals was going through training for his flow, but made a mistake. Then he couldn't move up to the major but couldn't go back down because everyone had already moved up in seniority, and ended up being out of a job.
Overall, any regional will get you to a major. It's a relatively short term phase of life. If the end goal is to make it a major, any of them will get the job done, it just depends what you want to get out of it. Also, I'd say it's important to weigh all of the posted QOL metrics.
Personally, I am not as convinced on the AA WOs. I like how with airlines such as Republic and Skywest, it is possible to get a feel for the company culture of each Legacy that they fly for. One trip may be AA, and the next may be Delta, United, or Alaskan if you're going with Skywest. I find value in getting to explore the ins and outs of each company before committing to one. Then, when it's time to go to a major, I can make an informed decision on which one I want to fly for. With the WO you fly for American, and then you're trapped in the AA system. If you decide to leave the AA system then you're going in more blind than you would be otherwise. Right now, I am still a student working on my flight training, and about 3-4 years from starting a class at a regional. Right now, I want to work for Delta (which may be why I'm not as in love with the flows), but I also realize that once I get to the airlines it won't be all glitz and glamour. I want my regional to let me experience the industry, and get a feel for where I want the rest of my career to go. If I realize I don't want to fly for Delta, then I have learned that lesson before I commit to working for them.
Also, I've heard horror stories of the flow working backwards. For instance an exceptional pilot in the regionals was going through training for his flow, but made a mistake. Then he couldn't move up to the major but couldn't go back down because everyone had already moved up in seniority, and ended up being out of a job.
Overall, any regional will get you to a major. It's a relatively short term phase of life. If the end goal is to make it a major, any of them will get the job done, it just depends what you want to get out of it. Also, I'd say it's important to weigh all of the posted QOL metrics.
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I disagree bigtime. Every legacy runs their operation differently. You can definitely get a feel for their day-to-day operations, even at the regional level. This includes how they treat commuting or nonrev crews, ground handling, procedures, passenger treatment, even something as small as the everyday word of mouth from the different mainline employees can give you more insight into their ops. Of course this doesn't mean you'll get a feel for what it's like to be a mainline employee at that airline. I understood what LUPilot was trying to say.
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This statement doesn't make sense. When you are hired at a WO you don't sign a non compete clause where you can't learn about other airlines or apply to them. Some of the WOs are having more pilots going to delta and united then flowing to American. You can get hired at American outside the flow albeit rare it does happen. The only difference at a WO is you have a garunteed spot in a new hire class at American in which the remaining non flow spots are few and extremely competitive to obtain. It's not like you go to a WO just to flow. It just so happens that they have a flow on top of the best pay and fast upgrades. I really couldn't see how someone could justify not choosing one unless they live where it would be a difficult commute.
He didn't say anything about a non-compete. He said at a WO you don't get the feel for each legacy's culture like you can for other airlines. There's advantages to both WO and non-WO. This one is certainly a +1 for the non-WO, but is really only advantageous if you have multiple offers.
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It's always funny to me to see guys at airlines without a flow try to find reasons why a flow is a negative. Let's get this straight, there is ABSOLUTELY no disadvantage to a true flow. It doesn't restrict you in anyway. The only thing it does is GUARANTEE you a job! I'm sorry your airline doesn't have one, but saying that there are disadvantages to a flow, and that's a plus for a non-wo is just ridiculous.
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It's always funny to me to see guys at airlines without a flow try to find reasons why a flow is a negative. Let's get this straight, there is ABSOLUTELY no disadvantage to a true flow. It doesn't restrict you in anyway. The only thing it does is GUARANTEE you a job! I'm sorry your airline doesn't have one, but saying that there are disadvantages to a flow, and that's a plus for a non-wo is just ridiculous.
CON: ALL the weirdos you fly with now will get to AA too and you'll have to fly with them forever!
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Personally, I am not as convinced on the AA WOs. I like how with airlines such as Republic and Skywest, it is possible to get a feel for the company culture of each Legacy that they fly for. One trip may be AA, and the next may be Delta, United, or Alaskan if you're going with Skywest. I find value in getting to explore the ins and outs of each company before committing to one.
He didn't say anything about a non-compete. He said at a WO you don't get the feel for each legacy's culture like you can for other airlines. There's advantages to both WO and non-WO. This one is certainly a +1 for the non-WO, but is really only advantageous if you have multiple offers.
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So a Delta gate agent(who is probably contract) gives you "a feel" for Delta's culture?
Who else do you deal with that gives you this "feel"? How in the world does it give you a "feel" for the pilot that will be sitting next to you at whatever legacy you go to?
I've seen some stretches and the AA/Delta WO have their own issues but WOW is this ever a stretch. "Go work for a non-wo to get a feel for who you will be working for".......You are going to go to whoever calls you first anyway.
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