AboveMins

John beat me to it. I should have added that lower time military folks are in no way included in my observation. I've flown with some civilian background folks who belong nowhere near a 121 flight deck, with class dates at UAL and DL. It's usually pretty easy to spot someone who has a military flying background, and the folks I was referring to are definitely not military. Sorry if that ruffled any feathers, but it leaves so many of us scratching our heads. Do they want to hire poster children, or folks who can effectively manage an airliner?

Duesenflieger

It sounds like AboveMins is peeved that he's not competitive enough for a legacy carrier. Did you fart around in the left seat of an RJ for ten years and not improve yourself in the meantime in any other way?

The military vs civilian rattling is ridiculous. I flew with a prior-Navy captain the other day.... It boggled my mind why the heck he was at a regional when given his impressive Navy reserve record, he ought to be at mainline. He wasn't any better or worse than any civilian pilot with whom I have flown for the record. In fact, he tended to nod off in the cockpit and seemed to be lackadaisical. At one point he drifted off course while conversing with ATC and simultaneously hand-flying (SOP violation right there). His CRM was terrible, too. Then it hit me that he wasn't motivated at all to move on, and was content on being a CRJ captain for the rest of his life (big, fat old Navy pension incoming for him too).

One thing is for sure, the low-time, inexperienced pilots whom you mock are pounding on the doors to get to the majors, while you sit behind your computer screen lamenting your lack of perseverance to move on! Perhaps your arrogance, entitlement and preconceived notions as to who should be employed by a major airline hinder you from being selected for such highly coveted positions. If you feel that you belong at a major, then why don't you fight for it?? Prove it to HR hiring departments that you are worth their attention.

Duesenflieger

Thanks for your service, Hacker15e.

AboveMins

Quite the opposite. 9 years in the right seat, and 2 years in the left seat at a dying airline, with all sorts of good samaritan work for both my union and community. Not peeved at all, just saddened that hiring has become more of a popularity contest, rather than focusing on what really matters. Take it as you wish. Airline flying doesn't define who I am, and when our non-union sister company is finally dancing on my airline's grave in a few years, I'll happily be sitting on a beach ordering my next Jack & Coke, while folks like you are still fighting over scraps, trying to appease whichever pencil pusher is charge of hiring pilots that week.

AboveMins

Mock? Since when has stating one's observations become mocking? You should really consider going back and rereading your own reply, if you want to see some textbook mocking. I'll bet you're a peach to fly with.

Duesenflieger

This was your post earlier in this thread, yes? You post sentiments like this across the regional forums on a continual basis. Also your posts come across as arrogant and entitled. So you observed a few mainline newhires who had less flight time than you or were younger and whom you deem to be incompetent, does that go to say that person of that demographic is incompetent as well? I would be mindful having this sentiment because if you ever do get a call from mainline this attitude could sink you.

Well, apparently something that you are doing is not working. Have you attended a job fair? I can't tell you what you are doing wrong since I haven't seen your app. I flew with a captain who has been flying for a regional 12 years and was complaining to me why United/Delta aren't calling him. He knew some folks over at XJT who had tight connections with Delta's recruiting department and they told him firsthand that he wasn't as actively involved in memberships and community activities as much as he reckoned.

kevbo

Delta? Tell them you drove a float in the last Atlanta LGTB Pride parade. Works like a charm!

Hacker15e

I wasn't saying that these FOs you fellas are referring to are all military dudes, I just used my situation as an example of someone who had more experience and accolades than my coworkers at my airline realized because I didn't talk about every detail and nuance of my professional history in the cockpit, at dinner on layovers, and in the crew room.

There's no "false generalization" in my actual point, which again is that you don't actually know what is on another pilot's application/resume (even someone you think you know) until you've actually seen it. That works both ways -- there are also plenty of experienced pilots complaining that they're being unfairly treated by the system, but in reality are sporting black marks on their record that are keeping them from getting the call....but people don't generally talk about all their dirty laundry in public, either, and thus coworkers and acquaintances many times don't know about those black marks.

You've somehow convinced yourself that the singular injustice in the airline hiring biz is that HR departments at airlines over-value job fair attendance and volunteerism, and you're attributing this to be the reason a slew of apparently inexperienced and undeserving are getting hired and you aren't.

I say you're making several assumptions in there that are false, including thinking you know exactly what other pilots qualifications are, good and bad.

jdebrey

Bingo


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John Carr

Ohhhhhh boyyyyyy

And yet you felt so compelled you had to send them your resume!!!! Look at me look at me!!!! As opposed to just shrugging it of and moving on....

Don't disagree with that at all. Almost 2 decades in this civilian pilot game. As mentioned, I've gotten to observe/be a part of the last three "pilot shortage" hiring waves. You? I know, you flew F-teens and think you got a pretty good handle on ALL THINGS airline pilot related

And I think you're doing a bit of reaching and making ASSumptions yourself. Sorry brother, that's just the way you're coming off.

And in the reference to "AboveMins", what I said is no crap for real as it relates to the situation that he, and a bunch of my good friends and former coworkers have found themselves in. It's sad really. But you don't know what you don't know about it.

As far as me? I must have been the token lowest common denominator. Crappy college, crappy GPA, crappy driving record, 1 failed checkride (Initial CFI), no LCA/sim instructor, only "volunteer time" is a collateral duty in a private recreational club I belong to so it's not really "community service". And yet, showing up for work all through the dark decade, a displacement/furlough/Ch11/shutdown, couple CA displacements, 4 airlines, 4-5 pay concessions rammed down my throat and somehow I squeaked through Ain't that some crap to behold in this day and age........