FighterHayabusa

There are definitely some part 135 cargo places, yes.

I'm still not convinced you are right about Mesa's program. I will find the blurb that says you get to gain hours (unpaid) in the right seat of one of their jets.

bornc7d

What pilot hasnt payed to play, either with money or years of service? If they meet the same standards at the end of training the 2000 hr flight instructor will learn line flying the same way a 190 hr "kid". If anything a flight instructor military pilot will have to unlearn old habits and adjust to 121 flying

FighterHayabusa

Since no one else will hire a guy with time that low, Mesa gets a few years out of them. Plus people PAY MESA to be trained, so there's your training expenses argument.

Joeshmoe

Bro I have a ton of buddies that went through the program. None of them ever paid a dime to sit in the left/right seat of an ERJ, CRJ, Dash or 1900. Period. If you can find something that says otherwise I'd be very interested where you got it and what the source is.

Joeshmoe

They pay to get rating you bonehead, not to have a day in day out JOB with them. Dude, educate yourself before you look like a total fool. I'm not saying I agree with the way Mesa does things, all I'm saying is do some research before you throw out flamebait.

freezingflyboy

You might want to stop before you look stupid chief... Not only did you contradict your self by saying "Mesa has been know to..." and then saying "I admit that's hearsay..." But do you HONESTLY think that an insurance company would insure a guy in the left seat of a jet who's previous experience is 1500 hours in a Seminole? Get a clue.

Do you know that to be fact? Do you have a source for that? The MAPD program is affiliated with Mesa but it is not Mesa. Besides that, all you are paying for is to get your Commercial Multi-engine Instrument ticket. With very few exceptions ALL of us had to pay our own way to earn our ratings. Now, once hired by Mesa as an FO you will NOT pay for your training. You'll sign a training contract that says you owe them if you leave before a specific time period but you will not pay out of pocket to get qualified as an FO. The only place I know of that requires you to pay to be a regional FO is Gulfstream Academy. If you go there you are a fool who deserves to be parted with is money.

Joeshmoe

Well said.

3 of my buddies mentioned above left before their training contract was up and none of them paid a dime.

FighterHayabusa

There are other 135s that do it. It appears Mesa does not, and in my feverish and hasty attempt to rebut, they were included. I withdraw the Mesa "pay to play" argument.

I can only hope that those who feel my post was "flamebait" are low-timers themselves and when they gain a few thousand hours realize they are more qualified than when they first started. Otherwise they should be happy to be replaced by the 190 hour guy who will work for 1/4 his wage.

If my original idea is not the way to get better work rules and pay, then what is?

Joeshmoe

The poster who thinks you are flamebait has over 3000TT

de727ups

"which as I understand it means you pay them to be an FO for your first x number of hours"

Sounds more like Gulfstream than MAPD.