Public demand for more experienced pilots
#121
Future Pilots
Reminds me of that Boeing 7XXXX ultramodern airliner that will have no pilots. As it rolls out on the runway the recording reassures the passengers, "Sit back and relax nothing can go wrong, nothing can go wrong, nothing can go wrong, nothing can go wrong, . . . . . . . . . ."
SKyHigh
#122
I agree
Yes of course they do. Night single pilot IFR pilots fly smaller miserably equipped aircraft in the most difficult of conditions. They tend to have the lowest of experience and yet they have the most difficult job. Many do crash however the majority do just fine and move on to fly a fully automated boredom chamber with skills honed by years of real flying.
An RJ can practically fly itself. Two highly skilled hands on IFR pilots are unnecessary. It is like two engineers who work in unison to tie their shoes one leg at a time. One does the tying while the other re-reads the instructions for the 1000th time and intensely watches to insure that no steps are missed.
A well trained monkey could do it and the market is beginning to reflect that. The Seneca pilot should make a fortune. Perhaps one day that will be the case?
SKyHigh
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An RJ can practically fly itself. Two highly skilled hands on IFR pilots are unnecessary.
Think you can fly an ERJ single handedly?
American Eagle pilots Capt. Barry Gottshall and First Officer Wesley Greene would disagree with you.
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#124
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So one Air Canada pilot would say to the other: "Wow, your schedule is pretty rapier?" while putting on his toque on the way to the beer store for a two-four.
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This 'FighterHayabusa' is a Private Pilot with 190 hours, lecturing commercial pilots on how they are inexperienced, and calling for passengers to peak in the cockpit and ask how experienced the flight crew is. We're taking him serious, why?
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Because in 60 hours I'll be your first officer!
#127
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Nope.
First, you need to get your instrument rating. Then you need to get your commercial pilot license. Next the multi engine rating (or you can do your initial Multi-Commercial and get both at the same time).
That will probably put you over 250 hours. Even then, no airline will hire you unless you complete a fast track program of some type.
There's Mesa and their PACE program (12k), JetU (27k), Flight Safety Direct track (23k) to name a few. And oh, Gulfstream too (30k).
You'll get RJ sim training at most of those places after fishing out some major doh.
If you successfully complete all that, then you might become a low time F/O. You're still quite some ways off, and I don't think we'll see you in just 60 hours yet.
First, you need to get your instrument rating. Then you need to get your commercial pilot license. Next the multi engine rating (or you can do your initial Multi-Commercial and get both at the same time).
That will probably put you over 250 hours. Even then, no airline will hire you unless you complete a fast track program of some type.
There's Mesa and their PACE program (12k), JetU (27k), Flight Safety Direct track (23k) to name a few. And oh, Gulfstream too (30k).
You'll get RJ sim training at most of those places after fishing out some major doh.
If you successfully complete all that, then you might become a low time F/O. You're still quite some ways off, and I don't think we'll see you in just 60 hours yet.
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The problem with all of the "jet" pilots I have flown with coming from great places like "Comair Academy" is they have proven they can fly straight and level but when it comes to handling real emergencies (not canned ones to get your ticket punched in the sim) the majority cannot hack it. Because there is such a huge lack of experience they do not know what to do. This goes for all of the regional carriers that think hiring a 22 yr old kid with 600 total hours is just fine. The public doesn't care about who is flying as long as their ticket is dirt cheap. Personally, my family and I avoid the small carriers because I know what kind of product I'm getting. For all of the experienced regional pilots with a vast background this is not directed toward you. I know you have an idea of what I am talking about because you're basically flying a solo plane when you have someone so young, usually immature with barely any skills. Management has done a great job at cutting the pay and the experience. Many crashes will have to happen before the uneducated public cares.
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The problem with all of the "jet" pilots I have flown with coming from great places like "Comair Academy" is they have proven they can fly straight and level but when it comes to handling real emergencies (not canned ones to get your ticket punched in the sim) the majority cannot hack it. Because there is such a huge lack of experience they do not know what to do. This goes for all of the regional carriers that think hiring a 22 yr old kid with 600 total hours is just fine. The public doesn't care about who is flying as long as their ticket is dirt cheap. Personally, my family and I avoid the small carriers because I know what kind of product I'm getting. For all of the experienced regional pilots with a vast background this is not directed toward you. I know you have an idea of what I am talking about because you're basically flying a solo plane when you have someone so young, usually immature with barely any skills. Management has done a great job at cutting the pay and the experience. Many crashes will have to happen before the uneducated public cares.
Your kidding me right?....................Ok maybe you and your very experienced and knowledgeable family can inform the HR departments of us "smaller Carriers" of which my "small Carrier" employs over 7,000 people as well as having 274 airplanes, on how to hire pilots. What kind of "product" do you get???????????? What experience do you have with 121 airlines. or even part 91 General Aviation????? Sad thing is, you are probably one of these Zero to hero types in 3 months and you can't get a job because of your delusional attitude. Get a grip
P.S. I was a 1,100hr 25 yr old "kid" when I got on with my first regional, who do you think my competition was, a 9,000hr 40yr old????????????????????? Usually the Regional/Commuter Industry is made up of younger inexperienced pilots, otherwise they would be at places like SWA, UPS, etc.................
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#130
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Do you really have to wonder why the airline industry is in the state it is? Technology has made flying a plane like playing a computer game. I highly doubt a lot of the pilots in today's commuter world would be able to fly off of raw data and maneuver their way out of a paper bag. As a disclaimer, I'm not talking about everyone - mainly the plethora of young kids with NO real-world experience! Once again to reitterate, anyone can be taught how to fly but to be able to handle real situations and have common sense is something I have rarely seen in the rj community. Does it seem a little odd to you that the wash out rate at UPT (that would be pilot training in the military) is so high compared to say a place you pay $100,000 for and now you're an airline pilot? Get real...
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