Public demand for more experienced pilots
03-07-2007, 10:20 AM
#91
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Wow! look at you! you've managed to ride the coattails of someone who is able to copy and paste from Wikipedia!
You should be so proud of yourself! A little pat on the head just for you!
Here's another paste from Wikipedia, I give you permission to ride my coattails as well:
A central limit theorem is any of a set of weak-convergence results in probability theory. They all express the fact that any sum of many independent and identically-distributed random variables will tend to be distributed according to a particular "attractor distribution".
What this means is that if there were a test to absolutely determine the safety of a pilot with a score, several scores on a chart would approximately be a normal distribution. So no, you do not need to enter statistical data to have a pretty good idea that this too would tend to be like most other things in the world.
By the way, even if it were not true, it would follow some kind of distribution which would include a median. If you were then to take a whole pile of scores for each hour of experience, acquire medians for each and plot them again, the higher times would tend to be on the right side of, you guessed it, a normal distribution curve. Though extremely high time vs someone with half that extremely high time probably wouldn't have much difference.
Insurance companies and the FAA have already figured this out which is why, astonishingly, hourly minimums exist at all!
Last edited by FighterHayabusa; 03-07-2007 at 10:26 AM. Reason: inserting more sarcasm and wit
03-07-2007, 10:27 AM
#92
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[quote=rickair7777;129702]
"The large majority of fighter pilots are over thirty...
4-5 years of college: age 23
1 Year of Pool/OCS: Age 24
3 Years UPT/RAG/FRS: Age 27"
SEE:
http://www.wantscheck.com/PilotSlotR...5/Default.aspx
Average age of entering UPT is 23. Most are AFROTC College or USAF Academy graduates. Average age graduating UPT is 24 and they already have one year commissioned service. F-16 / F-15 /C-17 / B-52 / etc.etc. and survival training takes another year and they are operational at about age 25.
Been there, done that, got the T-SHirt.
I graduated from UPT at age 26. When I had 750 hrs total time (age 27) I was an Instructor Pilot in Vietnam. At 1500 hrs total time (age 28) I was in command of a C-141 flying worldwide. AT 2000 hrs (age 29) I was flying photo reconniassance in a pressure suit above 70,000 ft. At age 31 the USAF sent me back to college and it was staff & command positions after that. My case was not that unusual.
If an officer (note I didn't say pilot) wants to get promoted, just flying airplanes doesn't do it. Performance ratings must show graduate degrees, military professional schools, and staff position experience before the Major's promotion board meets at the ten year point. That's why many military pilots separate and go to the airlines / Reserve and ANG flying. I would agree that the average age of a reserve or ANG pilot is well into the thirties.
"The large majority of fighter pilots are over thirty...
4-5 years of college: age 23
1 Year of Pool/OCS: Age 24
3 Years UPT/RAG/FRS: Age 27"
SEE:
http://www.wantscheck.com/PilotSlotR...5/Default.aspx
Average age of entering UPT is 23. Most are AFROTC College or USAF Academy graduates. Average age graduating UPT is 24 and they already have one year commissioned service. F-16 / F-15 /C-17 / B-52 / etc.etc. and survival training takes another year and they are operational at about age 25.
Been there, done that, got the T-SHirt.
I graduated from UPT at age 26. When I had 750 hrs total time (age 27) I was an Instructor Pilot in Vietnam. At 1500 hrs total time (age 28) I was in command of a C-141 flying worldwide. AT 2000 hrs (age 29) I was flying photo reconniassance in a pressure suit above 70,000 ft. At age 31 the USAF sent me back to college and it was staff & command positions after that. My case was not that unusual.
If an officer (note I didn't say pilot) wants to get promoted, just flying airplanes doesn't do it. Performance ratings must show graduate degrees, military professional schools, and staff position experience before the Major's promotion board meets at the ten year point. That's why many military pilots separate and go to the airlines / Reserve and ANG flying. I would agree that the average age of a reserve or ANG pilot is well into the thirties.
03-07-2007, 10:40 AM
#93
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Wow! look at you! you've managed to ride the coattails of someone who is able to copy and paste from Wikipedia!
You should be so proud of yourself! A little pat on the head just for you!
Here's another paste from Wikipedia, I give you permission to ride my coattails as well:
A central limit theorem is any of a set of weak-convergence results in probability theory. They all express the fact that any sum of many independent and identically-distributed random variables will tend to be distributed according to a particular "attractor distribution".
What this means is that if there were a test to absolutely determine the safety of a pilot with a score, several scores on a chart would approximately be a normal distribution. So no, you do not need to enter statistical data to have a pretty good idea that this too would tend to be like most other things in the world.
By the way, even if it were not true, it would follow some kind of distribution which would include a median. If you were then to take a whole pile of scores for each hour of experience, acquire medians for each and plot them again, the higher times would tend to be on the right side of, you guessed it, a normal distribution curve. Though extremely high time vs someone with half that extremely high time probably wouldn't have much difference.
Insurance companies and the FAA have already figured this out which is why, astonishingly, hourly minimums exist at all!
You should be so proud of yourself! A little pat on the head just for you!
Here's another paste from Wikipedia, I give you permission to ride my coattails as well:
A central limit theorem is any of a set of weak-convergence results in probability theory. They all express the fact that any sum of many independent and identically-distributed random variables will tend to be distributed according to a particular "attractor distribution".
What this means is that if there were a test to absolutely determine the safety of a pilot with a score, several scores on a chart would approximately be a normal distribution. So no, you do not need to enter statistical data to have a pretty good idea that this too would tend to be like most other things in the world.
By the way, even if it were not true, it would follow some kind of distribution which would include a median. If you were then to take a whole pile of scores for each hour of experience, acquire medians for each and plot them again, the higher times would tend to be on the right side of, you guessed it, a normal distribution curve. Though extremely high time vs someone with half that extremely high time probably wouldn't have much difference.
Insurance companies and the FAA have already figured this out which is why, astonishingly, hourly minimums exist at all!
As far as riding your coat tails I'm pretty sure my 2 bachelors degrees will be just fine for keeping me in the game, not some smart a** GA pilot who continually looks like a moron on these boards. have some respect for your elders kid because you climb into the cockpit with your cocky attitude I can PROMISE you some old salt captain is going to have you for lunch.
Just wondering kid....you have ANY original ideas of your own or are you just going to continue to regurgitate the work of other minds? Yeah thats what I figured. back to your Wikipedia now son.
03-07-2007, 11:00 AM
#94
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Wow! look at you! you've managed to ride the coattails of someone who is able to copy and paste from Wikipedia!
You should be so proud of yourself! A little pat on the head just for you!
Here's another paste from Wikipedia, I give you permission to ride my coattails as well:
A central limit theorem is any of a set of weak-convergence results in probability theory. They all express the fact that any sum of many independent and identically-distributed random variables will tend to be distributed according to a particular "attractor distribution".
What this means is that if there were a test to absolutely determine the safety of a pilot with a score, several scores on a chart would approximately be a normal distribution. So no, you do not need to enter statistical data to have a pretty good idea that this too would tend to be like most other things in the world.
By the way, even if it were not true, it would follow some kind of distribution which would include a median. If you were then to take a whole pile of scores for each hour of experience, acquire medians for each and plot them again, the higher times would tend to be on the right side of, you guessed it, a normal distribution curve. Though extremely high time vs someone with half that extremely high time probably wouldn't have much difference.
Insurance companies and the FAA have already figured this out which is why, astonishingly, hourly minimums exist at all!
You should be so proud of yourself! A little pat on the head just for you!
Here's another paste from Wikipedia, I give you permission to ride my coattails as well:
A central limit theorem is any of a set of weak-convergence results in probability theory. They all express the fact that any sum of many independent and identically-distributed random variables will tend to be distributed according to a particular "attractor distribution".
What this means is that if there were a test to absolutely determine the safety of a pilot with a score, several scores on a chart would approximately be a normal distribution. So no, you do not need to enter statistical data to have a pretty good idea that this too would tend to be like most other things in the world.
By the way, even if it were not true, it would follow some kind of distribution which would include a median. If you were then to take a whole pile of scores for each hour of experience, acquire medians for each and plot them again, the higher times would tend to be on the right side of, you guessed it, a normal distribution curve. Though extremely high time vs someone with half that extremely high time probably wouldn't have much difference.
Insurance companies and the FAA have already figured this out which is why, astonishingly, hourly minimums exist at all!
03-07-2007, 11:05 AM
#95
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Wow bud, with all your frothy language you'll be a SHOE IN when it comes time for an interview.
As far as riding your coat tails I'm pretty sure my 2 bachelors degrees will be just fine for keeping me in the game, not some smart a** GA pilot who continually looks like a moron on these boards. have some respect for your elders kid because you climb into the cockpit with your cocky attitude I can PROMISE you some old salt captain is going to have you for lunch.
Just wondering kid....you have ANY original ideas of your own or are you just going to continue to regurgitate the work of other minds? Yeah thats what I figured. back to your Wikipedia now son.
As far as riding your coat tails I'm pretty sure my 2 bachelors degrees will be just fine for keeping me in the game, not some smart a** GA pilot who continually looks like a moron on these boards. have some respect for your elders kid because you climb into the cockpit with your cocky attitude I can PROMISE you some old salt captain is going to have you for lunch.
Just wondering kid....you have ANY original ideas of your own or are you just going to continue to regurgitate the work of other minds? Yeah thats what I figured. back to your Wikipedia now son.
As far as I know, you are my elder in posts only. I'm not aware of any correlation between intelligence and number of internet forum posts. Maybe you could have your friend direct me to the Wikipedia entry for that?
03-07-2007, 11:10 AM
#96
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Well, the "I know more than you because I have these credentials" always wins over logical arguments on the actual points. I'll go off and slink into a corner now.
03-07-2007, 11:13 AM
#97
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You should see by what I'm posting that I would have tremendous RESPECT for that old salt captain and his experience, and the "frothy" language is directed at those who do not seem to.
As far as I know, you are my elder in posts only. I'm not aware of any correlation between intelligence and number of internet forum posts. Maybe you could have your friend direct me to the Wikipedia entry for that?
As far as I know, you are my elder in posts only. I'm not aware of any correlation between intelligence and number of internet forum posts. Maybe you could have your friend direct me to the Wikipedia entry for that?
03-07-2007, 11:15 AM
#98
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Don't slink. Good discussions keep the brain cells active. Reasonable (not argumentative) question - Does FighterHayabusa represent the Nakajima Ki-43 aircraft or one of those guys who fall all over other sweaty guys in the ring ?
03-07-2007, 11:19 AM
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03-07-2007, 11:32 AM
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Surely you see the paradoxical nature of what you are asking me to do. You are telling me not to think that more time makes a safer, more knowledgeable pilot. And I'm to believe you because you are my elder (in time I assume, since that is the only thing I've revealed to you) and therefore a safer, more knowledgeable pilot.
You still really haven't made clear to me whether you think 190 hours is enough to fly passengers from the right seat at a regional airline, so I may be debating you unnecessarily
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