9E "career progression" to DAL Coming Soon?

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04-01-2017, 05:40 AM

#121

Unpilot

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The "Singularity" it is coming.

04-01-2017, 07:15 AM

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Mesabah

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For those still wondering. The flow proposal is off the table, the union dropped it. There is zero chance Delta would allow it anyway.

04-01-2017, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by greenroute

So you're saying that before automation, it would have taken more than 276 hours to learn to fly a jet? Every military pilot ever would beg to differ.

LOL and the military takes much longer and millions of dollars (and an astronomically high washout rate) to make their 276 hour program "work".

Objection overruled.

04-01-2017, 10:17 AM

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JesuitValen

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Originally Posted by Mesabah

For those still wondering. The flow proposal is off the table, the union dropped it. There is zero chance Delta would allow it anyway.

Of course.

Cue the union negotiators telling you "hey they are discussing flow now!".

It takes a special kind of stupid to negotiate flow with Delta. They'll give it years from now when Endeavor guys are leaving in droves for a United or a American or whoever targets Delta's fragile regional feed.

04-01-2017, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CBreezy

No one said you shouldn't demand more. Just, you're clueless if you think management is willing to trade hats for rates. In fact, for most carriers, what color and composition of uniforms isn't even governed under the contract...To include Delta. Does your contract say, "no hats?". If it doesn't, it isn't even negotiable. They can mandate you wear one and you'll have no say in it.

You have a say, just don't wear it. What are they going to do fire you, I'm mean really! Just like the North Face Jacket. Remember, they don't pay you for outside the door. They pay you to fly their airplanes. Period! I'm bitter, sorry for the rant.

04-01-2017, 01:46 PM

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HighFlight

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What's your reference for this "statistic"?

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Originally Posted by gloopy

LOL and the military takes much longer and millions of dollars (and an astronomically high washout rate) to make their 276 hour program "work".

Objection overruled.

04-01-2017, 02:09 PM

#127

JesuitValen

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Originally Posted by HighFlight

What's your reference for this "statistic"?

If he's talking mil it's a 2/3rd washout rate at their academies

04-01-2017, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mesabah

For those still wondering. The flow proposal is off the table, the union dropped it. There is zero chance Delta would allow it anyway.

It's all a numbers game. Flow or no flow, we are becoming less competitive. Not my opinion..I'm listening to the new hires to the right of me. The entire package isn't as attractive as AA WO's. I like this company, just calling it as I see it. The regional environment is rapidly changing. The panic button hasn't been pressed just yet.

04-01-2017, 02:18 PM

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JesuitValen

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Originally Posted by Yumyum

Lately I'm getting the same. I got a wave of new guys, and somewhere in between sleeping and stealing snack boxes, these young guys were close to pulling the trigger on one of the American regionals for their flows.

They arent going anywhere though, they're waiting to see how it works out here first. Hilarious, that's exactly what I did instead of go to PSA.