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Old 03-17-2017, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by msprj2
No one ever put a gun to our heads. Everyone has a share
I don't disagree at all. Doesn't mean we can't acknowledge the problems.
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Old 03-17-2017, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 155mm
Right in SKW's backyard!

"PROGRAM DISCONTINUATION RATIONALE
High Cost vs Earning Potential/ROI: Students investing their time and money in SLCC flight programs are, upon completion, are qualified at best for lower paying entry-level flight instructor and pilot jobs."


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I think a year ago palm beach state college started having problems maintain their aviation program also. Most students were vets and the VA didnt want to continue pay such high cost for the program

http://www.palmbeachstate.edu/catalog/current/degrees-programs/trade-and-industry/aeronautical-science-professional-pilot-concentration-as.aspx#tab-1

They say no risk....no reward...but sadly our reward is not so rewarding.
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Old 03-17-2017, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Bgood
I think a year ago palm beach state college started having problems maintain their aviation program also. Most students were vets and the VA didnt want to continue pay such high cost for the program

Aeronautical Science-Professional Pilot Concentration AS

They say no risk....no reward...but sadly our reward is not so rewarding.
taught for a 141 school associated with them. i had maybe 2 students from there in a year and i think 1 of them was flying on his own instead of through the school. program seemed to be pretty weak.
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Old 03-18-2017, 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
Funny. You need to read your scatterbrained posts a little better and re-evaluate this statement.
Lol OK... Care to elaborate? Or is that one-liner the best you got? You'll have to actually use facts to discredit anything I've said. Go on, I'll wait.
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Old 03-18-2017, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
Funny. You need to read your scatterbrained posts a little better and re-evaluate this statement.
Funny. You claim to be a United 777 captain, yet 95% of your posts are in the regional forums..

So you are either a desperate liar, or a sad lonely mainline pilot who has nothing to do but troll regional forums on his off days. And I thought Billyho was bad!!
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Old 03-18-2017, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
Funny. You need to read your scatterbrained posts a little better and re-evaluate this statement.
Same place you got this
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Old 03-18-2017, 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
Starting to wonder if you have also used the name General Lee in other forums.
So you're saying you don't like it when other people insult you without the facts? Well then, maybe you shouldn't do it yourself...

I don't read the other forum, it's even worse than this one. Heck even here you can't have a decent conversation without someone interjecting with some "scatter-brained" insult
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Old 03-18-2017, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
Yup. That is a yes. Congrats!
Well I'm glad I taught you something
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Old 03-18-2017, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by sweetholyjesus
If any collaboration is illegal, why must ALPA national sign off on any agreements made by each MEC?
Try reading the cover page of a contract sometime. There is no "ALPA national". There is ALPA; and ALPA represents the pilots that are party to that contract. Since it is a contract, an officer of the representation organization needs to sign the contract. Which is why the President of Air Line Pilots Association, International signs the agreement along with an officer of the airline.

The MEC is the local (for a specific airline's pilots) managing committee, formed according to the ALPA bylaws, for the pilots of that airline and runs the affairs of ALPA for that airline. To the best of my knowledge, it's not a separate legal entity from ALPA. They are probably more akin business unit of a for profit corporation like a division.

There are a lot of colloquialisms floating around that you need to be careful of (and dispensed with) when discussing legal frameworks and entities.

ALPA is governed by the Railway Labor Act of 1926 (as amended), or RLA, and is regulated by the NMB. All other non-RLA unions are governed by the National Labor Relations Act of 1935 and are regulated by the NLRB. This is why when people see actions, organizations and tactics of other unions they aren't necessarily possible to an RLA union (e.g. the pipe fitters union negotiating a single contract that covers all plumbing companies in an area).
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Old 03-18-2017, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by NormalAbnormal
Try reading the cover page of a contract sometime. There is no "ALPA national". There is ALPA; and ALPA represents the pilots that are party to that contract. Since it is a contract, an officer of the representation organization needs to sign the contract. Which is why the President of Air Line Pilots Association, International signs the agreement along with an officer of the airline.

The MEC is the local (for a specific airline's pilots) managing committee, formed according to the ALPA bylaws, for the pilots of that airline and runs the affairs of ALPA for that airline. To the best of my knowledge, it's not a separate legal entity from ALPA. They are probably more akin business unit of a for profit corporation like a division.

There are a lot of colloquialisms floating around that you need to be careful of (and dispensed with) when discussing legal frameworks and entities.

ALPA is governed by the Railway Labor Act of 1926 (as amended), or RLA, and is regulated by the NMB. All other non-RLA unions are governed by the National Labor Relations Act of 1935 and are regulated by the NLRB. This is why when people see actions, organizations and tactics of other unions they aren't necessarily possible to an RLA union (e.g. the pipe fitters union negotiating a single contract that covers all plumbing companies in an area).
I've seen the term "ALPA National" used hundreds of times in these forums. If that is the wrong way to describe the body that governs the MEC's, then OK.

Joining people under the same contract at different airlines may be impossible, but I can't find where it says that there is no room for any collaborative effort between the MEC's under the same "representation". Right now there is zero collaborative effort, which is the source of my frustration.

Also, isn't saying that "ALPA represents its pilots" incorrect? ALPA is an association of unions, not a union in and of itself.
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