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03-16-2017, 04:20 PM
#301
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Get rid of the uneven, substandard pay/benefits, and mainline will have no choice but to take back their own flying. ALL regional pilots should be working toward that goal together. Even the lifers. Either they get better pay, or they get a better job at a major. What better time to unite than now, when regional carriers are so desperate for FOs? Why isn't ALPA all over this??'
To me, ALPA is just the most popular brand name. But the popular brand doesn't always give you the best product.
03-16-2017, 04:28 PM
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Exactly!
Get rid of the uneven, substandard pay/benefits, and mainline will have no choice but to take back their own flying. ALL regional pilots should be working toward that goal together. Even the lifers. Either they get better pay, or they get a better job at a major. What better time to unite than now, when regional carriers are so desperate for FOs? Why isn't ALPA all over this??'
To me, ALPA is just the most popular brand name. But the popular brand doesn't always give you the best product.
Get rid of the uneven, substandard pay/benefits, and mainline will have no choice but to take back their own flying. ALL regional pilots should be working toward that goal together. Even the lifers. Either they get better pay, or they get a better job at a major. What better time to unite than now, when regional carriers are so desperate for FOs? Why isn't ALPA all over this??'
To me, ALPA is just the most popular brand name. But the popular brand doesn't always give you the best product.
03-16-2017, 04:37 PM
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Okayyy so if mainline ALPA pilots don't want to share, wouldn't it make sense for regional ALPA pilots to seek different representation that would actually help them to unite, and help them to serve their own purposes in negotiations with management?
03-16-2017, 04:42 PM
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There was a Regional Airline Pilots Association back in the 1990's. For some reason they went extinct.
Might have something to do with the fact that individual regional airlines are essentially contractors, and as such have no flying that they own or have rights to. As soon as one group gets too expensive, they are whipsawed against. When someone comes up with solution to this they will win an award and be esteemed by their regional pilot peers.
In the end market forces determine contracts.
ALPA still is a "loose affiliation of locals." Every pilot group for themselves. Regional pilots will never have the leverage to bring their pay up to mainline levels.
Might have something to do with the fact that individual regional airlines are essentially contractors, and as such have no flying that they own or have rights to. As soon as one group gets too expensive, they are whipsawed against. When someone comes up with solution to this they will win an award and be esteemed by their regional pilot peers.
In the end market forces determine contracts.
ALPA still is a "loose affiliation of locals." Every pilot group for themselves. Regional pilots will never have the leverage to bring their pay up to mainline levels.
03-16-2017, 05:03 PM
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There was a Regional Airline Pilots Association back in the 1990's. For some reason they went extinct.
Might have something to do with the fact that individual regional airlines are essentially contractors, and as such have no flying that they own or have rights to. As soon as one group gets too expensive, they are whipsawed against. When someone comes up with solution to this they will win an award and be esteemed by their regional pilot peers.
In the end market forces determine contracts.
ALPA still is a "loose affiliation of locals." Every pilot group for themselves. Regional pilots will never have the leverage to bring their pay up to mainline levels.
Might have something to do with the fact that individual regional airlines are essentially contractors, and as such have no flying that they own or have rights to. As soon as one group gets too expensive, they are whipsawed against. When someone comes up with solution to this they will win an award and be esteemed by their regional pilot peers.
In the end market forces determine contracts.
ALPA still is a "loose affiliation of locals." Every pilot group for themselves. Regional pilots will never have the leverage to bring their pay up to mainline levels.
I just read somewhere that Endeavor has language in their contract that says if they dump ALPA representation they lose their flying?? Interesting. So Endeavor is WO by Delta. And in order to keep their jobs, they MUST be ALPA? And ALPA has negotiated CRJ900 rates for Delta that are twice as high as Endeavor's??
Does anyone not see how bad that looks... Regional pilots will never have the leverage to bring their pay up closer to mainline's while they are under ALPA leadership.
03-16-2017, 05:04 PM
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I wonder what happened to them? They were probably too big of a threat.....
I just read somewhere that Endeavor has language in their contract that says if they dump ALPA representation they lose their flying?? Interesting. So Endeavor is WO by Delta. And in order to keep their jobs, they MUST be ALPA?
I just read somewhere that Endeavor has language in their contract that says if they dump ALPA representation they lose their flying?? Interesting. So Endeavor is WO by Delta. And in order to keep their jobs, they MUST be ALPA?
(BTW: A more accurate statement would be: "Delta's MEC has negotiated CRJ 900 rates that are twice as high as the rates negotiated by Endeavor's MEC." Not even sure the math is correct, but that is how negotiations work.)
03-16-2017, 05:18 PM
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Yes that's how it always works. So, there's no benefit to sticking any regional MEC under the ALPA umbrella if this is the end result.
03-16-2017, 05:30 PM
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RALPA....it's time!
Endeavor's sel. process for Delta is here!
All I could find so far. Nothing official..
Endeavor's sel. process for Delta is here!
All I could find so far. Nothing official..
03-16-2017, 06:06 PM
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RALPA....it's time!
Endeavor's sel. process for Delta is here!
All I could find so far. Nothing official..
Endeavor's sel. process for Delta is here!
All I could find so far. Nothing official..
03-16-2017, 06:11 PM
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Yes and no. There are plenty of benefits to remaining ALPA (aeromedical, safety, insurance to name a few.) Given the discussion so far, I can't see how a regional that drops ALPA to form some sort of in-house union or the creation of a RALPA (v 2.0), would profit them in the long run. What strategy would they use to acquire more flying -- other than lowering the bar and thereby making themselves more competitive. What leverage would they utilize that they don't have now?
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