Is the MEI worth anything to the Majors?
03-11-2017, 07:52 AM
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Strive to better ones self, or fail to mitigate potential harm? Double edged sword. Todays world, no one cares about your 200 hours dual given in a pa44. It's over shadowed by a type rating in anything.
03-11-2017, 08:51 AM
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Breezy, there is no need to go cluttering up APC with facts. You should know better than that. 
03-11-2017, 08:54 AM
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Every time you step outside your door, you are taking a risk. Every time you fly, you are taking a risk. Throw in some severe winds, and that risk increases greatly. Mitigate it by staying in bed. Or, if you choose to embrace the risk, and improve yourself, do it well. Put forth the effort to be good at what you do, not just limp by, doing the minimum necessary. Again, it all comes down to choices. If you never fly a taildragger, glider, float plane, or helicopter, sure your risk is less. But you also missed out on valuable and exciting experiences. Just sayin'.
03-11-2017, 11:58 AM
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Every time you step outside your door, you are taking a risk. Every time you fly, you are taking a risk. Throw in some severe winds, and that risk increases greatly. Mitigate it by staying in bed. Or, if you choose to embrace the risk, and improve yourself, do it well. Put forth the effort to be good at what you do, not just limp by, doing the minimum necessary. Again, it all comes down to choices. If you never fly a taildragger, glider, float plane, or helicopter, sure your risk is less. But you also missed out on valuable and exciting experiences. Just sayin'.
03-11-2017, 03:20 PM
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Skydiving, SCUBA diving, and flying a P-51 Mustang would add nothing to your career either. But rest assured, you are missing out on some of the finer things in life if you avoid doing them.
There is more to life than living risk free and only showing up to work when required to do so. Don't be afraid to live a little, even if it's not "required". Some day, you'll be old, and unable to do much of anything. Will you look back with a starry look in your eyes, and tell your grand kids, "Yep, I remember the summer of '17 like it was yesterday. I bid max days off because flying around T-storms was risky. The less I did, the better off I was!"
So what if you fail a ride? Is it the end of the world? No. Many before us have done so, and have moved on to greater things. Failure is a great teaching tool, if only one listens to it properly. I've completed over 70 "checking events", and am not afraid to take one tomorrow. Pass or fail, I hope to learn from it and become better at what I love doing.
There is more to life than living risk free and only showing up to work when required to do so. Don't be afraid to live a little, even if it's not "required". Some day, you'll be old, and unable to do much of anything. Will you look back with a starry look in your eyes, and tell your grand kids, "Yep, I remember the summer of '17 like it was yesterday. I bid max days off because flying around T-storms was risky. The less I did, the better off I was!"
So what if you fail a ride? Is it the end of the world? No. Many before us have done so, and have moved on to greater things. Failure is a great teaching tool, if only one listens to it properly. I've completed over 70 "checking events", and am not afraid to take one tomorrow. Pass or fail, I hope to learn from it and become better at what I love doing.
What one deems to be valuable is wildly different between individuals. Getting my floatplane rating may be fun, it is a complete waste of money for where I currently am in my career, and wouldn't offer anything of value to my career, in skill or finances. I would suggest that this statement is true for most on this forum. Hmm, maybe I should go get an L1011 type rating... I am sure the knowledge gained would be invaluable...
03-13-2017, 01:09 PM
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Skydiving, SCUBA diving, and flying a P-51 Mustang would add nothing to your career either. But rest assured, you are missing out on some of the finer things in life if you avoid doing them.
There is more to life than living risk free and only showing up to work when required to do so. Don't be afraid to live a little, even if it's not "required". Some day, you'll be old, and unable to do much of anything. Will you look back with a starry look in your eyes, and tell your grand kids, "Yep, I remember the summer of '17 like it was yesterday. I bid max days off because flying around T-storms was risky. The less I did, the better off I was!"
So what if you fail a ride? Is it the end of the world? No. Many before us have done so, and have moved on to greater things. Failure is a great teaching tool, if only one listens to it properly. I've completed over 70 "checking events", and am not afraid to take one tomorrow. Pass or fail, I hope to learn from it and become better at what I love doing.
There is more to life than living risk free and only showing up to work when required to do so. Don't be afraid to live a little, even if it's not "required". Some day, you'll be old, and unable to do much of anything. Will you look back with a starry look in your eyes, and tell your grand kids, "Yep, I remember the summer of '17 like it was yesterday. I bid max days off because flying around T-storms was risky. The less I did, the better off I was!"
So what if you fail a ride? Is it the end of the world? No. Many before us have done so, and have moved on to greater things. Failure is a great teaching tool, if only one listens to it properly. I've completed over 70 "checking events", and am not afraid to take one tomorrow. Pass or fail, I hope to learn from it and become better at what I love doing.
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03-13-2017, 01:53 PM
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Yes, I know you work at K4.
Flying is a hobby. Just so happens we get paid to do it. Which in and of itself, is amazing, eh? I certainly don't do this job for the money; our salaries are laughable.
As for the making you sick part, I get that too sometimes. Been doing this for 30 years, and the learning never stops, because the memory banks tend to dump more quickly than they accept new data.
Flying is a hobby. Just so happens we get paid to do it. Which in and of itself, is amazing, eh? I certainly don't do this job for the money; our salaries are laughable.
As for the making you sick part, I get that too sometimes. Been doing this for 30 years, and the learning never stops, because the memory banks tend to dump more quickly than they accept new data.
Now you are talking about hobbies on a career web forum. Apples and Oranges. If aviation is of a hobby to you, have at it, go collect type ratings, etc. Speaking of hobbies, I have plenty, and aviation pays for them. The equipment I fly, (747-400) and the places I go (spin a globe, throw a dart at it) provide plenty of adventure and a requirement for non forgiving respect of aviation knowledge and procedures. I have my fill for being a "professional", infact too much of it. Constantly staying on top of countless manuals and procedures. Makes you feel sick some times.
03-13-2017, 04:01 PM
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Yes, I know you work at K4.
Flying is a hobby. Just so happens we get paid to do it. Which in and of itself, is amazing, eh? I certainly don't do this job for the money; our salaries are laughable.
As for the making you sick part, I get that too sometimes. Been doing this for 30 years, and the learning never stops, because the memory banks tend to dump more quickly than they accept new data.
Flying is a hobby. Just so happens we get paid to do it. Which in and of itself, is amazing, eh? I certainly don't do this job for the money; our salaries are laughable.
As for the making you sick part, I get that too sometimes. Been doing this for 30 years, and the learning never stops, because the memory banks tend to dump more quickly than they accept new data.
03-13-2017, 05:16 PM
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We agree that a MEI isn't beneficial to hiring at a regional or a major. I never said it was.
All I was trying to say was that not attaining an additional rating because one is afraid of failure may not be a very good way of living life. I don't know if 70% of all CFIs fail. Never heard this before, would be interested in where this statistic comes from, if you wouldn't mind sharing the source.
It's pretty simple. Don't fail. But if you DO fail, own it. Learn from it. Better yourself and be able to articulate how it became a positive influence on you as a professional aviator. Not sure how big of a deal the failure we are discussing will ever be to a major or LCC, unless one were to try to make excuses for it?
All I was trying to say was that not attaining an additional rating because one is afraid of failure may not be a very good way of living life. I don't know if 70% of all CFIs fail. Never heard this before, would be interested in where this statistic comes from, if you wouldn't mind sharing the source.
It's pretty simple. Don't fail. But if you DO fail, own it. Learn from it. Better yourself and be able to articulate how it became a positive influence on you as a professional aviator. Not sure how big of a deal the failure we are discussing will ever be to a major or LCC, unless one were to try to make excuses for it?
Well lets bring this back on topic, we actually agree more than we disagree. I believe the instructor ratings are valuable to ones own experience, and a great way to build time. With that said, and this is true, about 70% of initial cfi's fail. My initial CFI was the mei, and yes, I got a pink slip. And heres the disconnect, future employers aren't looking at that rating anymore. What about all these people who never became CFI's and as a result, have no failed check rides? Guess what, the fact they have zero failed check rides trumps your CFI ratings and one bust. They go ahead of the pile. So what was truly more beneficial to you? Hmm? I'm not doing VMC demo's in a CL65 or B744 type. Go practice V1 cuts, thats more beneficial.
03-13-2017, 05:30 PM
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Unless someone here knows how the metrics of the hiring system are weighed - no one here knows if a CFI with a failure is any less likely to get a call than a non-CFI without a failure. What we can probably deduce is that a CFI with no failure probably gets a bump in the process.
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