ItnStln

It’s on the APC sure under airline profiles. Link: http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines

flyingagain

Pay shortage.
Legacy carriers, UPS, FedEx, etc. won't have problems filling classes.
Could be some consolidation in the regional world and mainline picking up more of what was formerly "regional feed."

Irishblackbird

Thanks, I think someone also compiled a list somewhere as well.

ItnStln

You’re welcome!

Bellanca

I have a hard time believing that. Just this March at WIA, BK at United said they have been hovering between 10k-11k apps on file. Delta said they had 10k. AA didn't have much of any presence there, which leads me to believe they have no issues filling classes atm. The general consensus is that the level of experience is going down some.. but we did have a decade of almost no hiring, so you have pilots who have been stuck in the system for 8-10 years building experience that are finally getting the chance to move up, so the stats of the pool are going to go down.

Also, 'qualified' what does that mean? The magic number of 'points' that makes you competitive to get into the interview pool? I'm betting the majority of applicants have well over the minimum of a degree, ATP and 1000 turbine.

ALPA has 14,000 fee for departure members. Plus another ~7500 non-alpa regional pilots. So 21,500 regional pilots, this isn't including cargo and LLCs. Half of those 21.5k are captains acting as PIC on a jet in 121 ops. Then there's long term FOs stuck with 4000+ TT and years of airline experience. Then the military is losing ~1500 pilots per year and the majority of them do not put an app in until they are less than a year from separating, and the vast majority go straight to a major airline. Bottom line, I have a very hard time believing there's only 3000 qualified apps at any major. There's at least 20,000 regional pilots with the minimum qualifications. Many of whom have well over minimum qualifications, and many have thier apps in at places.

Southwest is the oddity since about half of the regional pilot pool didn't have the requisite 1000 TPIC to even fill out an app, and some of those that did have the TPIC time do not want to spend the rest of their career on a 73 with a rumored 14-16 year upgrade and thus did not apply.

atpcliff

from an earlier post in this thread:
The FO who told me this said that both figures, the 13,000 resumes on file in 2007, and the 3,000 on file in 2017, were for qualified pilots. They met the minimum qualifications for AA.

Last year, I was reading the Hawaiian hiring thread. One of the Hawaiian pilots, said that in Jan of last year they had "thousands" of resumes on file, and by that same Spring, they had "hundreds".

SWA dropped their 1000TPIC in 2016?, earlier this year??? The 1000TPIC is now "preferred".

BoilerUP

It is simply amazing to see some pilots' reactions to a more normalized supply of labor, relative to the glut experienced in the last decade.

JetDoc

I have some news for you my friend. Having been in this industry for over 25 years I can tell you unequivocally, if an airline managers lips are moving, they're lying. In addition, even if those numbers were true, it's the same 10,000 guys with 90% of them having apps out everywhere. Whatever number united or delta, aa et al tosses out there, divide it by at least 3 and that is the true size of their pool. It's here folks and the the first major understand this and get out in front of it is going leave the others holding the bag.

On Autopilot

https://youtu.be/RLnK6BFT_2c

Uhhh, is this what you had in mind, friend?

Bellanca

I get it that management lies, but what the hell do they have to gain from overinflating the number of apps on file??

And yes, most people have there apps out everywhere, or at least more than one place. However, there are new people putting in apps almost daily.

I used to fly with captains all the time that couldn't seem to get the call with 7-10k hours, thousands of TPIC, many of them good guys with checkairman/ training dept/ union volunteering experience. When those guys start going en masse, and the majors actually start hiring pilots without a 4 year degree I'll believe that the shortage has really hit.