PSA Pilot Moral Low
05-04-2015, 01:43 PM
#21
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You act like AA/US Airways we hiring our WO'ed pilots at an alarming rate in the past. Believe me when you worked at a WO it was the kiss of death and that made it a long shot to get hired at US Airways. A few here and there got hired but none at the rate we are seeing now.
Suck it up kids!! Nobody is making you go to American are they???
Suck it up kids!! Nobody is making you go to American are they???
05-04-2015, 01:47 PM
#22
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha....oh gosh....man you made my day! 25 per month. Didn't you hear Parker and Isom? They can only give so many slots out. Envoy is at 20 and they go to 30 per month in November. PDT is at 3 and you are at 4. I see you going up to 8, maybe even 10. You are smoking crack of you think it will be 25. It would leave no room for street hires. AA is not about to clean out their regionals when they can do this to the other regionals. Gotta have room for the squadron buddies too.
05-04-2015, 01:48 PM
#23
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It's almost as entertaining as you still trying to convince people you got hired directly into the left seat of a GV with no International or corporate experience at $250,000 per year.......and lie that it is, it's even funnier your crow at others for for supposedly dangling their AA status at others to feel superior.
You'll always be the APC forum chump and resident coward, but hey.........you have to excel at SOMETHING in life !
You indeed have found your niche !
05-04-2015, 02:12 PM
#24
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The "pilot shortage" gamble has failed pilots generation after generation. For those who think the Majors will be begging Regional pilots for their services because of some mythical pilot shortage...head on over to the Major forums. Specifically the "who's been hired" thread.
But ok, I appreciate that the one and only thing that must be keeping you from pulling your last hair out is that flow agreement at Envoy. Apart from that, I hear flying the line over there is the equivalent of modern day slavery.
And if you really needed to give a lecture on the current state of events TODAY....you must not have understood my original post which was a prediction. And yeah, it's not quite been like this since the 60s.
05-04-2015, 02:24 PM
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The one I agreed to (you know.......something you SHOULD have.
) is no longer applicable. You know, if you HAD accepted an AA flow, you wouldn't have become the sad joke you are now having to not only lie about your circumstances (and what a lie it is !), but also do nothing but throw rocks at those who did elect to move on via taking advantage of a decent opportunity.You DO realize that you've become nothing more than a running joke here, yes ?
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05-04-2015, 02:25 PM
#26
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. Take a look at the qualifications of everybody who is being hired by AA, Delta, and United off the street. It's primarily military pilots...specifically military pilots with IP time. Sure, Regional Captains round out the numbers...but you want to wait at the back of the line and compete with an ex C-17 instructor who flew ops in .
It's time for you to start rethinking this attitude. In 2014, the military/civilian new-hire composition was 53/47 at Delta. Hardly the imbalance you speak of. I was fortunate to be a part of the 47%.
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05-04-2015, 02:30 PM
#27
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Poor PSA.
American Airlines CEO Doug Parker is doing Town Hall meetings around the various bases. His latest trip was to Charlotte where he answered questions from PSA and Piedmont pilots. The video of the entire meeting was posted to our (AA) internal website for our viewing pleasure. After a couple of views (and many laughs) I'll provide the highlights.
Turns out, there are leaks in the PSA canoe already...and anybody could have seen it coming.
To kick things off, a PSA Captain who is also a recruiter stood up. According to her, she is having a hard time "selling" PSA to potential recruits. First and foremost it's becuase PSA: "Doesn't have a flow as good as Envoy's".
Currently, a pilot entering PSA has a 20 year (TWENTY YEAR) wait before interviewing with AA. Remember PSA doesn't have a flow. She mentioned how current First Officers, IF THEY ARE LUCKY have a TEN year wait before interviewing with AA.
Then she brings up how this is affecting morale and begs Doug Parker for changes.
Doug Parker's answer: "I don't know". He then asks for help from Jim Thomas, who tells her point blank:
"There are only so many spots. There are our off the street hires and ENVOY FLOW THROUGHS so there are only so many we can take from PSA."
Doug then says, "but hey, thanks for what you are doing." LOL...he brushed her off really quick.
Contrast that with the State of the Airlkne meeting Doug Parker already did in Dallas 2 weeks ago in which he answered questions about Envoy. For those who missed it, I'll provide a summary of that as well.
Sam Pool, Envoy MEC Chairman stood up and asked:
"We voted confidence in you guys (AA) in December. I don't want to see our guys leave for JetBlue, Delta, United...what can we do to get our guys to stay?"
Robert Isom (COO of AA) stood up to answer first. He said:
"Really good news is coming Envoy's way. We made a HUGE investment in bringing new aircraft to Envoy. We have the largest and BEST RJs coming your way."
He then continued:
"We have to make sure we are optimally sized. When we get to that point we are going to see the best thing that can possibly happen for pilots...which is being able to move QUICKLY from the Right seat to the Left and then FLOW in to American Airlines."
He then reiterated how once that optimum size is reached pilots coming into Envoy will upgrade and flow to AA in a very quick time frame. That optimum number is around 1500 pilots. Given our flow to AA that means a 5 year time frame from being a new hire at Envoy to flowing to American Airlines.
In other words, PSA pilots are already seeing cracks in their system and longing for what Envoy has. PSA is reaching their target size and therefore settling into stagnation with their only "silver lining" being 4 interviews at AA per month.
Meanwhile, Envoy is reaching their optimum size over the next 18 months with new aircraft arriving during that time period. Envoy has a true NO INTERVIEW flow to American Airlines at a rate of 25 pilots per month MINIMUM. Once the optimum size is reached, a new hire pilot coming into Envoy will be looking at flowing to AA in 5 years with an upgrade to Captain in between.
All current pilots at Envoy and those who arrive before the next 18 months will be ahead of that wave and already at AA or at the least already a Captain.
Can't say I feel sorry for PSA.
American Airlines CEO Doug Parker is doing Town Hall meetings around the various bases. His latest trip was to Charlotte where he answered questions from PSA and Piedmont pilots. The video of the entire meeting was posted to our (AA) internal website for our viewing pleasure. After a couple of views (and many laughs) I'll provide the highlights.
Turns out, there are leaks in the PSA canoe already...and anybody could have seen it coming.
To kick things off, a PSA Captain who is also a recruiter stood up. According to her, she is having a hard time "selling" PSA to potential recruits. First and foremost it's becuase PSA: "Doesn't have a flow as good as Envoy's".
Currently, a pilot entering PSA has a 20 year (TWENTY YEAR) wait before interviewing with AA. Remember PSA doesn't have a flow. She mentioned how current First Officers, IF THEY ARE LUCKY have a TEN year wait before interviewing with AA.
Then she brings up how this is affecting morale and begs Doug Parker for changes.
Doug Parker's answer: "I don't know". He then asks for help from Jim Thomas, who tells her point blank:
"There are only so many spots. There are our off the street hires and ENVOY FLOW THROUGHS so there are only so many we can take from PSA."
Doug then says, "but hey, thanks for what you are doing." LOL...he brushed her off really quick.
Contrast that with the State of the Airlkne meeting Doug Parker already did in Dallas 2 weeks ago in which he answered questions about Envoy. For those who missed it, I'll provide a summary of that as well.
Sam Pool, Envoy MEC Chairman stood up and asked:
"We voted confidence in you guys (AA) in December. I don't want to see our guys leave for JetBlue, Delta, United...what can we do to get our guys to stay?"
Robert Isom (COO of AA) stood up to answer first. He said:
"Really good news is coming Envoy's way. We made a HUGE investment in bringing new aircraft to Envoy. We have the largest and BEST RJs coming your way."
He then continued:
"We have to make sure we are optimally sized. When we get to that point we are going to see the best thing that can possibly happen for pilots...which is being able to move QUICKLY from the Right seat to the Left and then FLOW in to American Airlines."
He then reiterated how once that optimum size is reached pilots coming into Envoy will upgrade and flow to AA in a very quick time frame. That optimum number is around 1500 pilots. Given our flow to AA that means a 5 year time frame from being a new hire at Envoy to flowing to American Airlines.
In other words, PSA pilots are already seeing cracks in their system and longing for what Envoy has. PSA is reaching their target size and therefore settling into stagnation with their only "silver lining" being 4 interviews at AA per month.
Meanwhile, Envoy is reaching their optimum size over the next 18 months with new aircraft arriving during that time period. Envoy has a true NO INTERVIEW flow to American Airlines at a rate of 25 pilots per month MINIMUM. Once the optimum size is reached, a new hire pilot coming into Envoy will be looking at flowing to AA in 5 years with an upgrade to Captain in between.
All current pilots at Envoy and those who arrive before the next 18 months will be ahead of that wave and already at AA or at the least already a Captain.
Can't say I feel sorry for PSA.
It's spelled 'morale'.. Everyone already knows PSA's morals are low.
05-04-2015, 02:59 PM
#28
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha....oh gosh....man you made my day! 25 per month. Didn't you hear Parker and Isom? They can only give so many slots out. Envoy is at 20 and they go to 30 per month in November. PDT is at 3 and you are at 4. I see you going up to 8, maybe even 10. You are smoking crack of you think it will be 25. It would leave no room for street hires. AA is not about to clean out their regionals when they can do this to the other regionals. Gotta have room for the squadron buddies too.
05-04-2015, 02:59 PM
#29
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Agreed. For negotiating purposes, Parker wouldn't reveal that to the crying pilot at that meeting. They want them to negotiate something away for for what they would offer anyway for their OWN interests. The AA flow will end up roughly equal for all their in-house regionals in the future. Everyone will have to share. PSA will get a percentage and then Envoy must agree to that as well or get flushed. In fact, of all the in-house regionals at AA, Envoy is on the shakiest ground due to their several hundred strong stable of captains on 18 year pay that will only leave horizontally, blue and unresponsive. AAG isn't transferring their long-term CRJ's away from them for nothing, nor would they be willing to flush 700 perfectly good pilots they will NEED down the crapper to other carriers.
Skyvector DOES have a great future as a used car salesman though.
Skyvector DOES have a great future as a used car salesman though.
05-04-2015, 03:00 PM
#30
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One ignores the the well established understanding that PSA pilots effectively cannot get hired outside of the agreement even if it is unofficial, and the second ignores the well established understanding that the PSA agreement is effectively operating as a flow even if it is unofficial. Both are doing so to push agendas and support narratives.
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