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Old 12-05-2014, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ArcherDvr
(1) Initial and recurrent training records.

Directly from advisory circular AC120-68F, chapter 4. TRAINING RECORDS. If they include grades, or any notes, future employers will be able to see them. I'm telling you, I know firsthand.
Have you seen your pria with the instructors notes?
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Old 12-05-2014, 10:31 AM
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What about list all employment history in the last 10 years? Gonna lie on that one too?
You are not an employee during training at all carriers, some yes but not all. This is why I say you have to first know what all the details are so you can answer the questions being posed by a new employer.

Here is some examples.

1.) Let's say you have a misdemeanor on your record but you pay to have your record sealed (expunged). Your application will ask if you have ever been convicted of a crime, how do you answer? If you went through all the trouble of having your record sealed, would you not answer that question as no?

2.) Your medical application wants to know if you ever had a severe headache. Haven't we all had a headache before? Who gets to decide whether its severe? Some people might take an aspirin for a headache but others never take anything. Does that mean the people who take an aspirin should fill out their medical and check the headache box, thereby setting themselves up for $50,000 in medical bills?

3.) You are at training at a regional airline. Your wife calls and tells you that she's in the hospital with abdominal pain, she's pregnant. She's under a good deal of stress since you are away for 6 weeks. You elect to leave training in the middle on your own accord. Did you fail training?

Now before you answer, which of you is fully qualified to give the correct answer to these questions. I'm not interested in hearing opinion or discussion on them, I just want one of you to tell me the correct answers.
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Old 12-05-2014, 10:31 AM
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You do realize you have posted your resume essentially in past posts right? Also that you interview at a certain Dash operator next week. O AND you have FAILED 2 121 training programs without disclosing anything. I am sure they could figure out who you are based off that info. Might want to rethink your strategy.
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Old 12-05-2014, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by AluminumFoil
Did you tell PSA about XJT?
There was nothing to tell
Yes there was... I don't know what I'm doing and I'm gonna fail out of your training.
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Old 12-05-2014, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by WannaBeDriver
There was nothing to tell
You don't think the hiring department would liked to have know you had just failed out of XJT's initial training before spending thousands of dollars on you? There was definitely something to report. Lie by omission is still a lie.

Listen, training failures happen, it's unfortunate but they do and a lot of times it's to good people. Sometimes it's to good pilots who just can't put it together at a quick enough pace. I've been through that training department recently and saw how much they worked to help ppl with good attitudes who helped themselves. Heck, I needed a couple extra myself and they went above and beyond to make sure I was more than ready for my checkride and safe for the line. If they didn't even let you get to the checkride it's either bc you were seriously lacking in at least some area of your flying or your attitude was awful. Not saying that to be cruel, but you need to figure out which it was before you move forward and add a 3rd issue.
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Originally Posted by WannaBeDriver
There was nothing to tell
Have you withdrawn or failed to successfully complete any part 135 or part 121 training course? Please explain

Straight from the PSA application page. I think what happened at XJT qualifies.
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Old 12-05-2014, 10:37 AM
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You guys are just jealous that he is gonna be the highest paid 1st year F/O in the regional industry.
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Old 12-05-2014, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by WannaBeDriver
Have you seen your pria with the instructors notes?
Yes I have. I always have them send me a copy when my PRIA is requested.
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Old 12-05-2014, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by WannaBeDriver
What will come up on my PRIA?...PRIA is termination, Checrude failures and drug tests. That's it.

I have a interview with Pedimont next week fwiw.

Dude you need to stop worrying about the PRIA. I have no idea whats on it and don't really care to be honest.

You need to worry about your attitude and whats on the application. You're coming across as wanting to hide the facts man. Hiding these facts will kill your career for sure. This is a super small world. If the guys a Piedmont don't already know who you are they will find out before you're done with class and if you lied to them on the application or interview you will be fired and walked out class. So make sure you answer the questions they ask. Fact is you have failed to complete two new hire classes. And you're going to have to list both airlines on the work history. So I'm sure the interviewers will ask questions about why you left both places within a time frame of what a typical new hire class is. Don't lie no matter what you think is or isn't on the PRIA. Another reason PRIA isn't as big of a deal as you think is this thread. You will be totally kidding yourself if you think there is no way that someone at PDT has seen this so there is a chance that the PDT interviewers will be keyed in on this story next week when they are asking their questions.

Like it was said before you've washed out of TWO new hire classes so you need to figure out what you're doing wrong and whats causing you problems in the sim. Behind the plane how? Behind because you're shooting multiple approaches and situational awareness goes out the window? Behind because you're getting caught up in checklists and procedures, flows and callouts messing with you? Figure out whats messing you up and figure out a way to fix it before you start another class.

Don't kid yourself into thinking that a turboprop will make you keep up with the plane though. Realistically in the sim the turboprop will be only flown a handful of knots slower than the CRJ was flown in the sim so you're not going to gain a lot of time. You will probably be busier actually. I've never flown a dash or a CRJ, but I've flown 2 turboprops and 2 jets and I can say that both turboprops were harder on V1 cuts and both turboprops had much more busy work as far as switch flipping on normal ops much less emergency procedures. Also turboprops where harder situational awarenesswise because both turboprops I flew didn't have a nice MFD with FMS course line drawn on it etc so all the pretty MFD nav map stuff has to happen in your head.

Sorry so long. Hope it works out for you, but I can say it won't work for you if you lie at all and if you don't take the time figure out whats actually hurting you before you start another class.
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Old 12-05-2014, 10:49 AM
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Man I think if I had two 121 failures in a row and still wanted to do it I'd see what's in my file before telling the next one about the bloodbath that lies behind. Not saying lying by omission is ever ethical, but he already pretty much burned his 121 bridges and there's really no other way than by hoping it isn't there. If it is there, it's high time to find another gig.
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