Washed Out Of PSA
12-05-2014, 10:04 AM
#41
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It's a TRAINING failure…you must realize and accept that before you can move on. Anyway, good luck. Hope it works out for you!!!
12-05-2014, 10:04 AM
#42
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A prop is not necessarily easier because it is slower. V1 cuts in a prop are more difficult in my opinion for example.
Instead of starting over, your best bet is to build upon what you already have. Definitely take the sim course. But prior to that, make sure you know the systems, and flows and procedures solid. If you are having trouble with instruments, something as simple as a pc based flight sim can help you with that. Infact the purchased version of the CRJ is pretty good when it comes to the using the navigation and flight automation stuff. Spend a month doing that, then go back and knock it out at PSA.
As for if it's going to be on your PRIA, don't worry about it too much right now. It's going to be a couple years before you have the time to go anywhere anyway. This works in your favor because you will put distance between you and the failures, as well as add multiple successful checkrides to your resume. When you do go back and pass training, have some sort of plan for continuing your education. What I mean by that is, don't wait until 2 weeks before recurrent to have a cram session. Make a diagram of each systems, right notes on them, and review one or two systems each trip while you are sitting there doing nothing in cruise. Of course find time to review your GOM and memory items as well. You are going to want to nail each checkride, and especially that captain upgrade, in order to have a good shot at explaining away two initial failures.
Instead of starting over, your best bet is to build upon what you already have. Definitely take the sim course. But prior to that, make sure you know the systems, and flows and procedures solid. If you are having trouble with instruments, something as simple as a pc based flight sim can help you with that. Infact the purchased version of the CRJ is pretty good when it comes to the using the navigation and flight automation stuff. Spend a month doing that, then go back and knock it out at PSA.
As for if it's going to be on your PRIA, don't worry about it too much right now. It's going to be a couple years before you have the time to go anywhere anyway. This works in your favor because you will put distance between you and the failures, as well as add multiple successful checkrides to your resume. When you do go back and pass training, have some sort of plan for continuing your education. What I mean by that is, don't wait until 2 weeks before recurrent to have a cram session. Make a diagram of each systems, right notes on them, and review one or two systems each trip while you are sitting there doing nothing in cruise. Of course find time to review your GOM and memory items as well. You are going to want to nail each checkride, and especially that captain upgrade, in order to have a good shot at explaining away two initial failures.
Take the advise people are trying to give to you, which appears you don't want to take... Go get a 135 job the airlines are not for you yet.
12-05-2014, 10:04 AM
#43
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Therefore... Get better or try something else. Like people keep asking, what caused the failure to complete? What's your total time and experience? Do you really feel this is something you are cut out for? It's not just your career.... It's people's lives.
Hope you are able to deal with this situation. I don't envy you and am sure it's tough.
12-05-2014, 10:05 AM
#44
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Some outfits do not report PRIA before the checkride, it has to do with whether you were an actual employee of the company or not. Call HR and simply ask if they are going to put it in there or not. You should also request copies of your pilot records whenever you apply to the next company- you can see what's in the file.
As for what he should do, two failures is not a great start in airlines but maybe he can make a long term project out of it rather than short term. Get a job flying a piston twin for a year and see how you do at that.
As for what he should do, two failures is not a great start in airlines but maybe he can make a long term project out of it rather than short term. Get a job flying a piston twin for a year and see how you do at that.
12-05-2014, 10:06 AM
#45
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OP,
Stop wordsmithing.
Bottom line is you need to improve your flying skills if you want a 121 career; how you do so is entirely up to you.
You may not have failed a checkride, but you failed to complete Initial training at not one but two 121 carriers. That will not reflect well on your abilities going forward, nor will refusal to own that reality and show 1. how you have remedied your deficiencies and 2. why the third time will be a charm for you successfully completing not only simulator training, but IOE flying the actual airplane.
Truth be told, if you want a professional flying career at this point you probably need to spend the money for a jet transition course AND first get some serious experience in a piston twin or turboprop.
Stop wordsmithing.
Bottom line is you need to improve your flying skills if you want a 121 career; how you do so is entirely up to you.
You may not have failed a checkride, but you failed to complete Initial training at not one but two 121 carriers. That will not reflect well on your abilities going forward, nor will refusal to own that reality and show 1. how you have remedied your deficiencies and 2. why the third time will be a charm for you successfully completing not only simulator training, but IOE flying the actual airplane.
Truth be told, if you want a professional flying career at this point you probably need to spend the money for a jet transition course AND first get some serious experience in a piston twin or turboprop.
12-05-2014, 10:06 AM
#46
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12-05-2014, 10:10 AM
#47
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You WILL have to report that you did not complete two training events and were basically forced to resign in both instances; whether or not that shows up on PRIA, the next airline WILL find it, because they are required by law to get your training records from any and all previous 135/121 and sometimes even 91 operators that you have flown for, depending on who's hiring you.
The correct course of action, without ANY question is to fully disclose that you did not complete training. How you want to spin that is your business, but you MUST disclose it if you don't want to be (further) blackballed by being fired for lying; which you most certainly will be by any 135 or 121 operation that requires a copy of your training records.
Aviation is a very unforgiving business in many aspects, and the best thing you can do for yourself (aside from the obvious) is to operate in complete transparency with your next employer (or PSA if you go back there). Will 2 incomplete training events be a nail in your coffin professionally? Hard to say; depends on the employer. If you do well going forward, that will help to mitigate the impact of those unsat events. If you don't, I agree with others that you should probably do something else.
I can tell you with certainty that being terminated for lying WILL be the final nail in the coffin; so don't do anything that could be construed as such, okay?
I hope that this helps to clarify things for you. I wish you the very best.
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12-05-2014, 10:14 AM
#48
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What will come up on my PRIA?...PRIA is termination, Checrude failures and drug tests. That's it.
I have a interview with Pedimont next week fwiw.
I have a interview with Pedimont next week fwiw.
12-05-2014, 10:17 AM
#49
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There is also the FOIA portion of PRIA...this is becoming quite entertaining.
12-05-2014, 10:17 AM
#50
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Sorry to hear about the second washout.
FWIW, one of my classmates at TSA took a CRJ transition course before reporting for EMB-145 training in STL. He told me that was a good decision on his part. But, it was something his flight school offered him since he was an employee.
Unless you return to PSA, and successfully complete the training, you will have a difficult time going forward in Part 121 or 135.
FWIW, one of my classmates at TSA took a CRJ transition course before reporting for EMB-145 training in STL. He told me that was a good decision on his part. But, it was something his flight school offered him since he was an employee.
Unless you return to PSA, and successfully complete the training, you will have a difficult time going forward in Part 121 or 135.
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