Originally Posted by WhiteMorpheus

I'm saying that we will get two shots to meet the company somewhere in the middle on negotiations for PBS and that the company won't accept a PBS agreement that doesn't include them getting to institute PBS. I'm saying that anything called "SAP" that we negotiate along with a PBS will be keeping a name while losing the benefits or will be an affront to seniority (ie setting aside pairings for SAP before the bid). I'm saying that if we overstep in the fight by trying to keep line bidding and SAP, as we know it, we will get diddly squat when PBS is forced on us by the mediation board (reference "reserve grid manipulation" mediation results).

There are lots of things we could or should include in the negotiations to improve QOL for everyone, even reserves.

For example, a 4:30 min day benefits everyone if applied indiscriminately. A reserve would be scheduled to work a maximum of 17 days instead of 19/20 and would credit 76.5 hours for those days.

Along with that min day, including a rule in the system allowing all pilots to elect a 65 hour build would mean that senior reserves could have 15/16 days off, while the junior reserves will be stuck with only 13/14 off (the system will probably have to ignore someone's 65 hour preference and that ought to be the most junior bidders').

The ones least impacted by that min day improvement would be the senior pilots that still want to fly high-value trips for more money or more days off (the ones that rarely have a min day on their schedule).

Like I've said before. We have to see it. We ALL have to try it. And then we have to decide if it's right for us individually.

We just need to be cognizant that if we push too hard on the wrong issues we might get forced into something we really won't like.

Originally Posted by rickshaw

give...
-sap down to 75hrs.
-trip and duty rigs[/size].. Fixes pairing construction overnight. = more days off. Also protects you in pbs world (junk in junk out system).
- delete min day carve out.

Get...
-flow (15 /mo. )
-5% pay bump all scales.
-17% defined contribution ala aa carry sick bank to aa
-seniority # w aa upon psa upgrade completion.

... good rigs are THE most important thing with pbs looming. No other factor with force efficient pairing construction and crew utilization.

Originally Posted by rickshaw

Ok. You take you min day. on 1-2 days of the items mentioned, I’ll take my 6 hr. avg daily credit that generates 17-18 days off.