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Old 05-15-2019, 08:41 AM
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All things considered, I think they'll need hard forensic evidence. If they have it, probably slam dunk, it's difficult to BS your way around the science in court these days. It's also very hard to NOT leave forensic evidence these days. Immensely difficult between DNA, chemistry, cell phones, computers, etc. They can prove you were, or prove you weren't there. If you go to the trouble and successfully leave no evidence, then you might be in the position of having no proof that you weren't there... when there *should* have been digital evidence of some sort that you were somewhere else. Not only do you have to avoid leaving evidence implicating yourself, you'd probably have to create some fake evidence to support your alibi. Really, really hard unless you're the CIA.
Yep. That is why this case lasted so long was a lack of forensic evidence. The guns were never found. So unless they have turned some new then a conviction will be difficult.
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what regionals had killers working for them? OO had one and I believe ASA had one also..Now PSA..
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Old 05-15-2019, 04:23 PM
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Rickair -

You are right about forensics, and everyone is smarter on it now, but all it takes is one juror who will at all costs ignore the forensics (in the case I’m familiar we are talking computer forensics) and get a guy off the hook. Jury makeup is a HUGE wildcard!
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what regionals had killers working for them? OO had one and I believe ASA had one also..Now PSA..
I think the ASA guy was aquitted.
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Old 05-16-2019, 06:20 AM
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You are right about forensics, and everyone is smarter on it now, but all it takes is one juror who will at all costs ignore the forensics (in the case I’m familiar we are talking computer forensics) and get a guy off the hook. Jury makeup is a HUGE wildcard!
Yes, you're right about that. And the political buildup in a case like this might be just the catalyst for a juror to go there. Maybe that's why he's doing those interviews... to poison the jury pool against the government.

Of course if they have a solid case, and it's just a wildcard juror, they can always re-try if the jury hangs. More than once too.
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Yep. That is why this case lasted so long was a lack of forensic evidence. The guns were never found. So unless they have turned some new then a conviction will be difficult.
There are plenty of other possible sources of evidence... probably having more to do with where the guy was, or was not, when it happened. If they can simply disprove his claimed alibi (if any), they've destroyed his credibility, and then circumstantial evidence might do the trick. Gonna be interesting I think.
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There are plenty of other possible sources of evidence... probably having more to do with where the guy was, or was not, when it happened. If they can simply disprove his claimed alibi (if any), they've destroyed his credibility, and then circumstantial evidence might do the trick. Gonna be interesting I think.
He says he was in bed at home with his girlfriend (now fiance) at the time of the murders. He had a home surveillance system with cameras and all that was seized when SWAT and CID raided his home within a day or two of the murders. They had all his surveillance video, computers, and evidence seized from the house and he went through a but crawling with CID and local investigators in 2015 and they couldn't make anything of it. We'll see if they found something else.
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Ex-pilot gets life sentence in gruesome Kentucky triple murder he insists he didn't do

Former commercial pilot Christian “Kit” Martin was sentenced Thursday to life without parole for a triple murder in Christian County.

Circuit Judge John Atkins imposed the sentence recommended by a jury that in June found Martin guilty of three counts of murder as well as multiple counts of arson, burglary and tampering with evidence.

Before the sentence was pronounced, one of Martin’s lawyers said justice was not done in the case, which was tried on a change of venue in Hardin County.

Martin, dressed in an orange jail suit, did not address the court. The sentencing was carried on Court TV.

The case attracted national attention when Martin was pulled off a jet at the Louisville airport on May 11, 2019, handcuffed as he was about to take off.

He was still wearing his pilot’s uniform when he was booked on three counts of complicity to murder, arson and other charges.

The attorney general’s office, which tried the case, said Martin on Nov. 18, 2015, fatally shot three of his neighbors, Edward Dansereau and Calvin and Pamela Phillips, a married couple.

Calvin Phillips was found dead in his Pembroke home the next day and the remains of Dansereau and Pamela Phillips were discovered in a burnt vehicle in a field.

Special prosecutors Barbara Whaley and Alex Garcia told the jury that Martin killed Calvin Phillips because he was about to testify in Martin’s military court-martial trial on multiple charges.
The military court eventually convicted Martin on one count of mishandling classified information and one of assault on a child. He was sentenced to 90 days in jail and was discharged after 30 years of military service. The prosecution claimed Danseroux and Phillips’ wife were collateral damage.

“The families and the Pembroke community have endured a profound loss,” Attorney General Daniel Cameron said after the conviction. “While this verdict in no way eases that pain, I hope that they find some peace and comfort today.”

Martin’s attorney, assistant public advocate Tom Griffiths, did not immediately respond to a request for comment after the verdict.

He argued in an opening statement the prosecution’s theory that his client wanted to silence a witness in his court-martial made no sense because Phillips also was set to testify for the defense in the military trial.

The crime went unsolved for years.

Whaley told the jury Martin had the motive to kill Calvin Phillips because a conviction in the court-martial could have ended his 30-year military career.

She also said a shell casing found five months after the crime was conclusively shown to have been fired from a .45-caliber handgun found in a safe in Martin’s home across the street.

Griffiths claimed the shell casing and other damning evidence was mysteriously were missed by police who scoured the home and that it must have been planted there, possibly by Martin’s angry ex-wife, who had vowed to ruin him.

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Free my man he ain't do nothin
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Old 09-17-2021, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Fm0Bm
Free my man he ain't do nothin

when I read up on the case I thought “holy crap… homeboy might be innocent!!”

then I heard he wore gloves while flying. Sure that’s weird… somewhat odd… but doesn’t make him guilty. And THEN I found out he took them off flying through 10,000. Ummm.. I.. that’s really odd. That’s not something a normal person does. He def did it. I say make him put the glove on, and if it doesn’t fit…
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