BeatNavy

USMCFLYER, there are a few more details in this article. A quick google search yields a few other cases. And for each case identified, how many get away with UCI or other shenanigans unreported? Had it not been for this whistleblower and subsequent admission of UCI by the retired RADM, it would have never been overturned. https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-...e-court-rules/

The military justice system is only as good as its officers empowered by it. I saw UCI (used against me as a commander), but it was somewhat minor and I was able to mostly mitigate it for those under my command who it was affecting, and I was getting out so I didn’t pursue it much. I went to JAG about it only to be told our JAG with our unit there works for the command and so can’t advise me when my/their commander was the subject of the complaint. Where I was deployed at the time, I didn’t have good access to JAG resources for myself.

I’m not completely sour on the UCMJ and its associated authority given to commanders, I think it’s a necessary system. But it has its flaws and people get screwed. I had a former soldier/pilot get ruined by an abusive ex-wife who made a rape accusation (from 2 years prior) after he tried to divorce her. Guy got ruined by the commanding general with zero evidence...solely a he said/she said scenario. It was all administrative and not UCMJ, but his career was ruined. He eventually got everything tossed after more evidence came to light, but that was years later after the damage was done and he was on his way out. He narrowly avoided a discharge that wasn’t going to be an honorable one.

Civil justice systems in the US have their issues too, but I do think we probably one of the better overall justice systems in the world.

KCaviator

Deadheaded on PSA today and I didn’t hear a cringeworthy welcome aboard announcement nor did the FO get arrested for murder. Win.

DownInPetaluma

Some people need to learn that one should hold the mic 90 degrees to thier spittle dispersion pattern.

And one should make an effort to enunciate, like their 5th grade teacher told them. A mouthful of marbles helps no one.

Murder or other felonious files are pretty much a given, nowadays. I love my colleaguez

FlyingKat

Little Andy Beshear loves attention and press conferences. Wouldn't put it past him to shove a weak case before a grand jury to get a big splash in the news a week before the Democratic primary for Governor where he is in a tight race with two others. They had a debate last Monday and of course Beshear had to bring up the fact that he has done such a good job with cold cases and brought up this case.

The son of the couple that was killed asked Beshear to take the case over in 2017 because the Christian County Commonwealths Attorney office was a mess, and Lynn Pryor was voted out in 2018 due to several misconduct issues in that office.

There is a whole bunch of crap around this case and it is a big mess. If Little Andy hasn't found any new evidence that wasn't found before don't be surprised if this results in an acquittal.

rickair7777

That's plausible, if the AG needed the indictment for political points in an upcoming election, but expects/hopes to be long gone before the crows come home to roost.

JohnBurke

I'm sure you can. Decorated military officer is superfluous now; his career was destroyed when they dissected him in court martial, despite his acquittal. He will never come back from that, regardless of his state of guilt or innocence.

It's not necessarily a matter of framing anyone; prosecutions press forward all the time for political reasons, for for any number of other reasons, and the attorney general speaks not off his own investigation, but the word of others, who may or may not believe they have a solid case. Trials are often throws of the dice.

Regardless, innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

FlyingKat

Exactly. Win or lose he will be gone from the AGs office by the time this gets to trial.

I sincerely hope that they have a solid case for the families of the victims, however after reading the local papers coverage of the court martial and the murders it looks dicey at best because a lot of this case may rest on his ex "wife", and her credibility fell apart in the Christian County Family Court in 2012 and in the Court Martial. Hard to say she is his ex "wife" because in Kentucky you can't be legally married if you are still married to somebody else.

They are going to have a hard time getting around Phillips statement on tape that he never saw or heard any evidence of sexual abuse, assault, or molestation. This is why Martin says he wanted Phillips there. Also hard to believe you would kill somebody over an affair when you walked away from your ex "wife" 3 years before for being a bigamist. Kills their motive theory unless they found new evidence to the contrary. Gonna be interesting to see how they prosecute this.

Duck Sausage

You’re required to wear the M&H shirts? Yikes.

rickair7777

All things considered, I think they'll need hard forensic evidence. If they have it, probably slam dunk, it's difficult to BS your way around the science in court these days. It's also very hard to NOT leave forensic evidence these days. Immensely difficult between DNA, chemistry, cell phones, computers, etc. They can prove you were, or prove you weren't there. If you go to the trouble and successfully leave no evidence, then you might be in the position of having no proof that you weren't there... when there *should* have been digital evidence of some sort that you were somewhere else. Not only do you have to avoid leaving evidence implicating yourself, you'd probably have to create some fake evidence to support your alibi. Really, really hard unless you're the CIA.

DarkSideMoon

That’s the real crime here.