Rules for Opt out of Forced Capt Upgrade
05-17-2018, 04:18 PM
#61
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As someone considering PSA with no prior 121 (and thus potentially two years of time building before eligible for forced upgrade) I have to ask -- are there any provisions to terminate these forced upgrade rules, either based on calendar time or refilling of the CA pipeline?
05-17-2018, 04:46 PM
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As someone considering PSA with no prior 121 (and thus potentially two years of time building before eligible for forced upgrade) I have to ask -- are there any provisions to terminate these forced upgrade rules, either based on calendar time or refilling of the CA pipeline?
05-17-2018, 05:14 PM
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Yeah look at the seniority list and run the numbers. make some conservative attrition estimates. They're done strip mining the ranks of senior FO's. It's going to be up or out until the next downturn.
05-17-2018, 08:15 PM
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That's what started this thread . . . they are working down the seniority list quickly and it appears that a fair number of Senior FO's are getting to OPT OUT . . . ( just hoping to get to go to kids college graduation in December and cruise/vacation with A7 we planned afterwards . . . but that type thing doesn't meet the criteria and if on reserve (no SAP) it won't be possible.) So to answer the earlier question, it doesn't appear that there is an ending date or conditions to the forced upgrade agreement.
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05-18-2018, 03:46 AM
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count the number of senior FO’s left and divide by 30. That’s not a lot of months of upgrade classes. Reasons to bypass are only of minor relevance. Even if they take everyone ASAP it won’t be enough. Doesn’t take many months of training 30 captains and losing 25 to drain the well.
05-20-2018, 11:45 AM
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You will be on reserve perhaps 6-7 times that long at least as a street captain joining right now.
The Envoy LOA was more tailored towards getting the seniorish FO’s out of hiding on reserve to upgrade, perhaps sit one bid cycle at LGA and transfer back to their original domicile.
05-20-2018, 02:01 PM
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Positive space and paid hotels are only for the first three months after completing IOE.
You will be on reserve perhaps 6-7 times that long at least as a street captain joining right now.
The Envoy LOA was more tailored towards getting the seniorish FO’s out of hiding on reserve to upgrade, perhaps sit one bid cycle at LGA and transfer back to their original domicile.
You will be on reserve perhaps 6-7 times that long at least as a street captain joining right now.
The Envoy LOA was more tailored towards getting the seniorish FO’s out of hiding on reserve to upgrade, perhaps sit one bid cycle at LGA and transfer back to their original domicile.
How long to bid out of LGA?
Me personally I'd collect my bonus money and when the 3 months was up dip out on military orders
not everybody has that option but I could make it work, I got 18 months of orders waiting on me with a one year window to start them 
05-20-2018, 03:59 PM
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Positive space and paid hotels are only for the first three months after completing IOE.
You will be on reserve perhaps 6-7 times that long at least as a street captain joining right now.
The Envoy LOA was more tailored towards getting the seniorish FO’s out of hiding on reserve to upgrade, perhaps sit one bid cycle at LGA and transfer back to their original domicile.
You will be on reserve perhaps 6-7 times that long at least as a street captain joining right now.
The Envoy LOA was more tailored towards getting the seniorish FO’s out of hiding on reserve to upgrade, perhaps sit one bid cycle at LGA and transfer back to their original domicile.
05-20-2018, 04:17 PM
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We are talking about the recent Envoy LOA here which pertains to new CA awards, nothing to do with PSA to avoid any confusion.
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