Rules for Opt out of Forced Capt Upgrade
08-01-2018, 11:52 AM
#91
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I noticed a handful of more junior guys got the upgrade in the bid through the normal process this time. Seems like over time the displacement problem might reverse itself once that trend continues. Since CLT is the most senior base right now, any predictions on how long it might take for those forced out of CLT to get back there and even better yet, how long to get off reserve?
08-01-2018, 01:00 PM
#92
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As of August 2018 it takes 2 years 1 month and 15 days to hold CLT as a SCR Captain. So if you upgraded at month 20 you would be displaced for 5 to 6 months. After getting back to CLT you would be round 2 for approximately 20 months.
Again, this is based on the August 2018 numbers.
Again, this is based on the August 2018 numbers.
Last edited by Malcolm Tent; 08-01-2018 at 01:11 PM.
08-01-2018, 01:42 PM
#93
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Senior manning really doesn't bother me too bad. What makes my blood boil is the way the schedulers manipulate the reserve grid. I have been watching it very closely for August. For example, one day had 4 reserves available and 4 as required buffer. 30 minutes later that same day had 7 reserves available and, guess what, 7 as required buffer. I have asked a scheduler before if there was any rhyme or reason to the buffer required...I was put on hold for 25 minutes while she went to ask someone. I finally gave up waiting. It's amazing to me how this company has such potential to have the best QOL in the regional industry (and they do when you hold Round 1) and they **** that opportunity right down the drain. Don't get me wrong, for the most part I'm happy here, but there are little things like this that really get under my skin.
For now I'm just gonna sit over here and SAP to 65 and await the upgrade.......
For now I'm just gonna sit over here and SAP to 65 and await the upgrade.......
08-01-2018, 01:51 PM
#94
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Joined APC: Apr 2015
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Senior manning really doesn't bother me too bad. What makes my blood boil is the way the schedulers manipulate the reserve grid. I have been watching it very closely for August. For example, one day had 4 reserves available and 4 as required buffer. 30 minutes later that same day had 7 reserves available and, guess what, 7 as required buffer. I have asked a scheduler before if there was any rhyme or reason to the buffer required...I was put on hold for 25 minutes while she went to ask someone. I finally gave up waiting. It's amazing to me how this company has such potential to have the best QOL in the regional industry (and they do when you hold Round 1) and they **** that opportunity right down the drain. Don't get me wrong, for the most part I'm happy here, but there are little things like this that really get under my skin.
For now I'm just gonna sit over here and SAP to 65 and await the upgrade.......
For now I'm just gonna sit over here and SAP to 65 and await the upgrade.......
08-01-2018, 02:14 PM
#95
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Joined APC: Aug 2014
Posts: 445
Senior manning really doesn't bother me too bad. What makes my blood boil is the way the schedulers manipulate the reserve grid. I have been watching it very closely for August. For example, one day had 4 reserves available and 4 as required buffer. 30 minutes later that same day had 7 reserves available and, guess what, 7 as required buffer. I have asked a scheduler before if there was any rhyme or reason to the buffer required...I was put on hold for 25 minutes while she went to ask someone. I finally gave up waiting. It's amazing to me how this company has such potential to have the best QOL in the regional industry (and they do when you hold Round 1) and they **** that opportunity right down the drain. Don't get me wrong, for the most part I'm happy here, but there are little things like this that really get under my skin.
For now I'm just gonna sit over here and SAP to 65 and await the upgrade.......
For now I'm just gonna sit over here and SAP to 65 and await the upgrade.......
Say for example PSA wants to Senior man the most senior Captains on our seniority list to flow to mainline, because in all actuality they are the most expensive and costly to the company. Yet these senior captains are perfectly content with their quality of life and choose not to flow, and now the Union has acted in a manner that set a precedent that seniority dose not matter to our pilot group.
For that matter let's say we have down turn in the economy, and layoffs are inevitable. Again, let's layoff the most senior and costly pilots first. This is why senoirity must be paramount in a union shop. Especially when the union agrees to an LOA without consulting the membership.
You are right, manipulation of the reserve grid should also demand attention by our ever non- present union as well.
08-01-2018, 02:37 PM
#96
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Joined APC: Dec 2011
Posts: 38
Senior man as opposed to Jr man should bother you. Eventually the bases will equal themselves out and forced displacements will be at a minimum or a thing of the past, but it was at the expense of those senior to you whom had to suffer the hardship and have paid more in dues money than someone Jr for their representation by the union to protect seniority.
Say for example PSA wants to Senior man the most senior Captains on our seniority list to flow to mainline, because in all actuality they are the most expensive and costly to the company. Yet these senior captains are perfectly content with their quality of life and choose not to flow, and now the Union has acted in a manner that set a precedent that seniority dose not matter to our pilot group.
For that matter let's say we have down turn in the economy, and layoffs are inevitable. Again, let's layoff the most senior and costly pilots first. This is why senoirity must be paramount in a union shop. Especially when the union agrees to an LOA without consulting the membership.
You are right, manipulation of the reserve grid should also demand attention by our ever non- present union as well.
Say for example PSA wants to Senior man the most senior Captains on our seniority list to flow to mainline, because in all actuality they are the most expensive and costly to the company. Yet these senior captains are perfectly content with their quality of life and choose not to flow, and now the Union has acted in a manner that set a precedent that seniority dose not matter to our pilot group.
For that matter let's say we have down turn in the economy, and layoffs are inevitable. Again, let's layoff the most senior and costly pilots first. This is why senoirity must be paramount in a union shop. Especially when the union agrees to an LOA without consulting the membership.
You are right, manipulation of the reserve grid should also demand attention by our ever non- present union as well.
08-01-2018, 05:07 PM
#97
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Joined APC: Dec 2017
Posts: 658
Senior man as opposed to Jr man should bother you. Eventually the bases will equal themselves out and forced displacements will be at a minimum or a thing of the past, but it was at the expense of those senior to you whom had to suffer the hardship and have paid more in dues money than someone Jr for their representation by the union to protect seniority.
Say for example PSA wants to Senior man the most senior Captains on our seniority list to flow to mainline, because in all actuality they are the most expensive and costly to the company. Yet these senior captains are perfectly content with their quality of life and choose not to flow, and now the Union has acted in a manner that set a precedent that seniority dose not matter to our pilot group.
For that matter let's say we have down turn in the economy, and layoffs are inevitable. Again, let's layoff the most senior and costly pilots first. This is why senoirity must be paramount in a union shop. Especially when the union agrees to an LOA without consulting the membership.
You are right, manipulation of the reserve grid should also demand attention by our ever non- present union as well.
Say for example PSA wants to Senior man the most senior Captains on our seniority list to flow to mainline, because in all actuality they are the most expensive and costly to the company. Yet these senior captains are perfectly content with their quality of life and choose not to flow, and now the Union has acted in a manner that set a precedent that seniority dose not matter to our pilot group.
For that matter let's say we have down turn in the economy, and layoffs are inevitable. Again, let's layoff the most senior and costly pilots first. This is why senoirity must be paramount in a union shop. Especially when the union agrees to an LOA without consulting the membership.
You are right, manipulation of the reserve grid should also demand attention by our ever non- present union as well.
08-02-2018, 08:20 AM
#98
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Joined APC: Dec 2011
Posts: 38
One of my biggest issues is we elected these people to represent us. We PAY, let me say it again, PAY, these people to represent us. Yet, when someone tries to reach their rep his emails go unanswered and the voicemail box is full. That to me is unacceptable. I’m not in the market of just throwing money out the door for something I’m not getting what I’m paying for.
08-05-2018, 04:13 PM
#100
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Joined APC: Jul 2018
Posts: 449
Arbitration ruled that management can adjust the grid however they see fit so long as the minimum required is never a negative number.
It's frustrating, but it's a closed case at this point
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