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Old 07-23-2018, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by kevin18
Curious if the RTP failures are split between the prior services or if there are particular backgrounds that are leaning to failure.
I have heard, and I can not substantiate this with any facts, that Army Helo guys tend to have a harder time than the USN and USMC helo guys because unlike their counterparts in the other branches, the USN and USMC still do initial in fixed-wing before tracking to their final job.
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Old 07-23-2018, 04:41 PM
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A lot of money the company is putting into these guys to fail. While those of us on property don’t get any extra incentives
Yeah, and some of us have even been forced out of base, forced onto reserve, and had our $2500 per quarter retention bonus taken away from us.

[I know, I'm starting to sound like a broken record...]
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
I have heard, and I can not substantiate this with any facts, that Army Helo guys tend to have a harder time than the USN and USMC helo guys because unlike their counterparts in the other branches, the USN and USMC still do initial in fixed-wing before tracking to their final job.

A lot of Army helo guys aren't used to using the IFR system actually. It's it's what I've learned from my RTP partner who was a Army Helo guy.


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Old 07-23-2018, 06:33 PM
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Of the 6 or 7 (can’t remember names to accurately count) that busted from my class most were marines, one was army 64 guy. I think it comes down to TT flying helos, combined with stuff like staff duty (little or no flying) and study habits.
For those saying PSA is basically wasting money on RTP vs more $$ for those on property is a cop out. Most all the regionals have or will have an RTP program or flight school/colleg program agreement. That’s the state of the industry as a whole and it’s disingenuous to say your not making more because someone outside the “traditional” route came to 121
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Of the 6 or 7 (can’t remember names to accurately count) that busted from my class most were marines, one was army 64 guy. I think it comes down to TT flying helos, combined with stuff like staff duty (little or no flying) and study habits.
For those saying PSA is basically wasting money on RTP vs more $$ for those on property is a cop out. Most all the regionals have or will have an RTP program or flight school/colleg program agreement. That’s the state of the industry as a whole and it’s disingenuous to say your not making more because someone outside the “traditional” route came to 121
Not knocking the RTP guys. All the ones from my class are great guys, and great pilots. I don’t have any ill feelings towards them at all, it’s too good of a deal to pass up. It’s the same feeling we have about the low key extra bonus we were hearing about for DECs. There’s just a lot of money being thrown outward while we are getting paid well short of industry average.

It just all stems from the same broken record issue that is stated on here day in and out. Communication from people who should be communicating that are not.
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Not knocking the RTP guys. All the ones from my class are great guys, and great pilots. I don’t have any ill feelings towards them at all, it’s too good of a deal to pass up. It’s the same feeling we have about the low key extra bonus we were hearing about for DECs. There’s just a lot of money being thrown outward while we are getting paid well short of industry average.

It just all stems from the same broken record issue that is stated on here day in and out. Communication from people who should be communicating that are not.
Good point and well said
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I would like to ask everyone to be respect to everyone going through training. I am sure that nobody made it through as easy as yourselves, but these are men and women who served our country like we will never understand. Let's set-up everyone the best path to succeed. Respectfully, Michael 39%
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I would like to ask everyone to be respect to everyone going through training. I am sure that nobody made it through as easy as yourselves, but these are men and women who served our country like we will never understand. Let's set-up everyone the best path to succeed. Respectfully, Michael 39%

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A lot of money the company is putting into these guys to fail. While those of us on property don’t get any extra incentives

If an RTP guy fails, the money given to them for the fixed wing time has to be repaid. That money isn't simply lost by the company and taken out of a line pilot's pocket.
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If an RTP guy fails, the money given to them for the fixed wing time has to be repaid. That money isn't simply lost by the company and taken out of a line pilot's pocket.
Not sure about that. Only thing I signed was in reference to paying back the bonus we got after IOE.
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