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07-12-2017, 05:59 AM
#931
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 755
Unless there are HUGE improvements, no one is going to vote away the SAP.
I will put it in a public forum for all to see. For me, it would take:
1) mainline seniority number with a guaranteed flow date for me at less than 3 years from now, and less than 6 years for new hires. If I don't flow by then, I get 1.5x pay the mainline pay th my seniority that I should be getting and start accruing mainline seniority and longevity.
2) Company agrees to run the CCP like it did when the contract was first voted in.
3) 100% DH, 4 hour min day with no carve outs, and trip rigs
4) 401k equal to AWAC
5) Huge improvements to health insurance.
6) GOOD crew meals
7) If displaced from your trip, you are OFF with pay. No questions asked.
8) "Me Too" clause on pay with any regional that provides lift for AA/Delta/United.
If they met all of those, I would consider giving up sap. Maybe. But there is no way that they would agree to it, so I have no hesitation in posting it in a public place that management could read.
The SAP is that valuable. It is the best thing in all of the regionals.
I will put it in a public forum for all to see. For me, it would take:
1) mainline seniority number with a guaranteed flow date for me at less than 3 years from now, and less than 6 years for new hires. If I don't flow by then, I get 1.5x pay the mainline pay th my seniority that I should be getting and start accruing mainline seniority and longevity.
2) Company agrees to run the CCP like it did when the contract was first voted in.
3) 100% DH, 4 hour min day with no carve outs, and trip rigs
4) 401k equal to AWAC
5) Huge improvements to health insurance.
6) GOOD crew meals
7) If displaced from your trip, you are OFF with pay. No questions asked.
8) "Me Too" clause on pay with any regional that provides lift for AA/Delta/United.
If they met all of those, I would consider giving up sap. Maybe. But there is no way that they would agree to it, so I have no hesitation in posting it in a public place that management could read.
The SAP is that valuable. It is the best thing in all of the regionals.
07-12-2017, 07:15 AM
#932
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2017
Posts: 1,117
Unless there are HUGE improvements, no one is going to vote away the SAP.
I will put it in a public forum for all to see. For me, it would take:
1) mainline seniority number with a guaranteed flow date for me at less than 3 years from now, and less than 6 years for new hires. If I don't flow by then, I get 1.5x pay the mainline pay th my seniority that I should be getting and start accruing mainline seniority and longevity.
2) Company agrees to run the CCP like it did when the contract was first voted in.
3) 100% DH, 4 hour min day with no carve outs, and trip rigs
4) 401k equal to AWAC
5) Huge improvements to health insurance.
6) GOOD crew meals
7) If displaced from your trip, you are OFF with pay. No questions asked.
8) "Me Too" clause on pay with any regional that provides lift for AA/Delta/United.
If they met all of those, I would consider giving up sap. Maybe. But there is no way that they would agree to it, so I have no hesitation in posting it in a public place that management could read.
The SAP is that valuable. It is the best thing in all of the regionals.
I will put it in a public forum for all to see. For me, it would take:
1) mainline seniority number with a guaranteed flow date for me at less than 3 years from now, and less than 6 years for new hires. If I don't flow by then, I get 1.5x pay the mainline pay th my seniority that I should be getting and start accruing mainline seniority and longevity.
2) Company agrees to run the CCP like it did when the contract was first voted in.
3) 100% DH, 4 hour min day with no carve outs, and trip rigs
4) 401k equal to AWAC
5) Huge improvements to health insurance.
6) GOOD crew meals
7) If displaced from your trip, you are OFF with pay. No questions asked.
8) "Me Too" clause on pay with any regional that provides lift for AA/Delta/United.
If they met all of those, I would consider giving up sap. Maybe. But there is no way that they would agree to it, so I have no hesitation in posting it in a public place that management could read.
The SAP is that valuable. It is the best thing in all of the regionals.
I will add that if the company just increases the flow alone they would solve a lot of their staffing issues. I'd love to know what's going through their minds that they can't realize this.
07-12-2017, 07:40 AM
#933
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2014
Posts: 745
Unless there are HUGE improvements, no one is going to vote away the SAP.
I will put it in a public forum for all to see. For me, it would take:
1) mainline seniority number with a guaranteed flow date for me at less than 3 years from now, and less than 6 years for new hires. If I don't flow by then, I get 1.5x pay the mainline pay th my seniority that I should be getting and start accruing mainline seniority and longevity.
2) Company agrees to run the CCP like it did when the contract was first voted in.
3) 100% DH, 4 hour min day with no carve outs, and trip rigs
4) 401k equal to AWAC
5) Huge improvements to health insurance.
6) GOOD crew meals
7) If displaced from your trip, you are OFF with pay. No questions asked.
8) "Me Too" clause on pay with any regional that provides lift for AA/Delta/United.
If they met all of those, I would consider giving up sap. Maybe. But there is no way that they would agree to it, so I have no hesitation in posting it in a public place that management could read.
The SAP is that valuable. It is the best thing in all of the regionals.
I will put it in a public forum for all to see. For me, it would take:
1) mainline seniority number with a guaranteed flow date for me at less than 3 years from now, and less than 6 years for new hires. If I don't flow by then, I get 1.5x pay the mainline pay th my seniority that I should be getting and start accruing mainline seniority and longevity.
2) Company agrees to run the CCP like it did when the contract was first voted in.
3) 100% DH, 4 hour min day with no carve outs, and trip rigs
4) 401k equal to AWAC
5) Huge improvements to health insurance.
6) GOOD crew meals
7) If displaced from your trip, you are OFF with pay. No questions asked.
8) "Me Too" clause on pay with any regional that provides lift for AA/Delta/United.
If they met all of those, I would consider giving up sap. Maybe. But there is no way that they would agree to it, so I have no hesitation in posting it in a public place that management could read.
The SAP is that valuable. It is the best thing in all of the regionals.
07-12-2017, 09:59 AM
#934
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 755
There is no other regional that I would choose to be at, but things can always get better.
If I won the lottery, I would invest that money to try to make more. At least some of it. Wouldn't you? It isn't that I wouldn't be happy with that money, but I would still strive to achieve something more.
07-12-2017, 12:26 PM
#935
patience
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,068
If I was management and wanted to "improve staffing and coverage," I would offer a quarterly retention bonus for every pilot on the seniority list, not just FOs.
Something like 3-4K(or more) every three months would do the trick, with a few caveats such as a requirement to work at least 80 block hours and at least one weekend or holiday each month.
Most pilots would jump all over that. Just look at the recent critical announcement during the 4th, everyone jumped all over it for the extra 50% and the company's staffing crisis was instantly solved.
Add an increase to the flow and I'm sure you could get the union and pilot group to say yes in a heartbeat, win win for both parties.
Something like 3-4K(or more) every three months would do the trick, with a few caveats such as a requirement to work at least 80 block hours and at least one weekend or holiday each month.
Most pilots would jump all over that. Just look at the recent critical announcement during the 4th, everyone jumped all over it for the extra 50% and the company's staffing crisis was instantly solved.
Add an increase to the flow and I'm sure you could get the union and pilot group to say yes in a heartbeat, win win for both parties.
07-12-2017, 01:05 PM
#936
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2017
Posts: 1,117
If I was management and wanted to "improve staffing and coverage," I would offer a quarterly retention bonus for every pilot on the seniority list, not just FOs.
Something like 3-4K(or more) every three months would do the trick, with a few caveats such as a requirement to work at least 80 block hours and at least one weekend or holiday each month.
Most pilots would jump all over that. Just look at the recent critical announcement during the 4th, everyone jumped all over it for the extra 50% and the company's staffing crisis was instantly solved.
Add an increase to the flow and I'm sure you could get the union and pilot group to say yes in a heartbeat, win win for both parties.
Something like 3-4K(or more) every three months would do the trick, with a few caveats such as a requirement to work at least 80 block hours and at least one weekend or holiday each month.
Most pilots would jump all over that. Just look at the recent critical announcement during the 4th, everyone jumped all over it for the extra 50% and the company's staffing crisis was instantly solved.
Add an increase to the flow and I'm sure you could get the union and pilot group to say yes in a heartbeat, win win for both parties.
And speaking of CCP...for anyone that picks up flying on your day off make sure you check the critical day calendar link near the top of the page where you submit your pay claims. The company won't tell you this (probably hoping you'll miss it) but for both FOs and Captains in CLT there were 19 days in June that were critical. Those two positions were the worst but even all the other bases had lots of red. A lot of people just look on FLICA and that only shows a few days that were critical. Make sure you check the calendar on the pay claim site. I've talked to several people I've flown with recently that didn't realize this. The last guy missed out on almost 6 hours of pay because of it. Don't let the company get away with not paying you what you are owed. Make sure that SDO pay isn't Critical before you hit submit.
07-12-2017, 01:31 PM
#937
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 327
Agreed. I think it's pretty silly that we basically have 4 different pay structures based on when you were hired. New hire bonus, FO rentention bonus, captain bonus, and new upgrades that don't get a bonus.
And speaking of CCP...for anyone that picks up flying on your day off make sure you check the critical day calendar link near the top of the page where you submit your pay claims. The company won't tell you this (probably hoping you'll miss it) but for both FOs and Captains in CLT there were 19 days in June that were critical. Those two positions were the worst but even all the other bases had lots of red. A lot of people just look on FLICA and that only shows a few days that were critical. Make sure you check the calendar on the pay claim site. I've talked to several people I've flown with recently that didn't realize this. The last guy missed out on almost 6 hours of pay because of it. Don't let the company get away with not paying you what you are owed. Make sure that SDO pay isn't Critical before you hit submit.
And speaking of CCP...for anyone that picks up flying on your day off make sure you check the critical day calendar link near the top of the page where you submit your pay claims. The company won't tell you this (probably hoping you'll miss it) but for both FOs and Captains in CLT there were 19 days in June that were critical. Those two positions were the worst but even all the other bases had lots of red. A lot of people just look on FLICA and that only shows a few days that were critical. Make sure you check the calendar on the pay claim site. I've talked to several people I've flown with recently that didn't realize this. The last guy missed out on almost 6 hours of pay because of it. Don't let the company get away with not paying you what you are owed. Make sure that SDO pay isn't Critical before you hit submit.
07-12-2017, 01:38 PM
#938
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 353
The real question should be "Why are we having to keep track of their accounting and submitting pay claims?" The computer knows the schedule. This process can be automated. The fact that we have to go and do all this garbage is indicative of the shortsighted, backwards way of doing things. What's next? Sending in stuff by fax? Oh wait.....
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07-12-2017, 01:43 PM
#939
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 327
On a different note, the inefficiencies of these schedules even at the round 1 level is telling of "throw it against the wall and hope it sticks." SAP isn't some gift to the pilot group bestowed by the Lords of Dayton, rather it is a tool used to organize and tidy up what should have been done by scheduling in the first place. I'd like to submit a "pay claim" for the 3+ hours I will spend on SAP day to fix this stuff.
07-12-2017, 02:48 PM
#940
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 755
My point exactly. This antiquated method of running things is far behind the times. They still issue *paper checks* for hotel reimbursement. WTF is a paper check in 2017? Time to look beyond the cornfields of Ohio because it isn't 1988 anymore.
On a different note, the inefficiencies of these schedules even at the round 1 level is telling of "throw it against the wall and hope it sticks." SAP isn't some gift to the pilot group bestowed by the Lords of Dayton, rather it is a tool used to organize and tidy up what should have been done by scheduling in the first place. I'd like to submit a "pay claim" for the 3+ hours I will spend on SAP day to fix this stuff.
On a different note, the inefficiencies of these schedules even at the round 1 level is telling of "throw it against the wall and hope it sticks." SAP isn't some gift to the pilot group bestowed by the Lords of Dayton, rather it is a tool used to organize and tidy up what should have been done by scheduling in the first place. I'd like to submit a "pay claim" for the 3+ hours I will spend on SAP day to fix this stuff.
Technologically speaking (as bad as it is), we are far from last.
and if you are complaining about spending time SAPping to get your schedule exactly as you want it, I don't feel bad for you. I'm sure that there are thousands of other regional pilots that would love to be able to SAP away from trips that they don't want and to get any days that they want off.
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