MaCrOs

All of training is business casual (oral and proficiency check are suit and tie)

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MitchRapp

Nothing in training is suit and tie. Slacks and a button up with a tie will be just fine for oral and check ride.

MaCrOs

Sure you can do that... However you want to present yourself.
Keep in mind a lot of check airmen have been around for a while and they respect you as much as you respect them and the process.
If it's too much to put a suit and a tie for a couple of days so be it.

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FlyyGuyy

Lol I showed up in a suit for initial and the guy laughed that I dressed up so much. He's been here almost 20 years.

Upgrade I wore my uniform and was asked to lose the shirt and sit in my t shirt. The exact wording was . ' you are useless all dressed up and stressed out, lose the shirt and relax'.



Meant a lot at the time.

Duck Sausage

If they start hiring DECs again FOs are out. I hope you have already upgraded. At that point the truck driving school is looking pretty enticing.


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AboveAndBeyond

I can't imagine that we would need to hire DEC's. Upgrade time is dropping, and will be well under 2 years by the end of the year. I think they are expecting it to be under 18 months by next year. But we should have lots of FO's that are qualified.

Look at the number of FO's that we are hiring that have 121 time. We have hired dozens of ExpressJet pilots, and are continuing to do so. I do expect additional bonuses, and hope they are extended to captains. That should help draw even more to PSA.

Take a look at the seniority list and the upgrade awards. We are currently upgrading May 2015 hires. In June 2015 through the end of 2015, we only have something like 30 FO's that were hired. We should be able to upgrade all of those in about a month.

Then, we are showing about 200 FO's that were hired in 2016. It should take about 7 months for all of 2016 hires to upgrade (if we continue to upgrade 25 a month, a small percentage choose not to upgrade, and we lose about the same number to attrition as we are now).

Thedude86

Then, we are showing about 200 FO's that were hired in 2016. It should take about 7 months for all of 2016 hires to upgrade (if we continue to upgrade 25 a month, a small percentage choose not to upgrade, and we lose about the same number to attrition as we are now).[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't say a small percentage choose not to upgrade. My math says HALF are choosing not to upgrade. I would guess because they're waiting for a line. I'm roughly 650 on the seniority and my first chance to upgrade was the very end of March. The last award that came out a few days ago had 850 numbers. That's 200 numbers in 2 months. In that 2 months there were roughly 50 pilots choosing to upgrade and another 50 that were already captains from the big hiring wave 2 years ago. That leaves another 100 out of 200 choosing not to upgrade. So if that trend continues...in one month we'll be upgrading a pilot at 950 on the seniority list which is the only pilot hired on February 2nd of last year. We barely hired anybody during the last half of 2016 so he was probably on reserve for several months and I would guess he'd be lucky to have 700-800 hours of 121 time unless he came from another airline. If you go to #1000 on the list you're looking at June 2016 hires. With 2-3 months in training I bet those pilots have around 500-600 hours at best. My math is showing those seniority numbers will be able to upgrade in about 6-8 weeks from today.

Pilot Sharp

I wouldn't say a small percentage choose not to upgrade. My math says HALF are choosing not to upgrade. I would guess because they're waiting for a line. I'm roughly 650 on the seniority and my first chance to upgrade was the very end of March. The last award that came out a few days ago had 850 numbers. That's 200 numbers in 2 months. In that 2 months there were roughly 50 pilots choosing to upgrade and another 50 that were already captains from the big hiring wave 2 years ago. That leaves another 100 out of 200 choosing not to upgrade. So if that trend continues...in one month we'll be upgrading a pilot at 950 on the seniority list which is the only pilot hired on February 2nd of last year. We barely hired anybody during the last half of 2016 so he was probably on reserve for several months and I would guess he'd be lucky to have 700-800 hours of 121 time unless he came from another airline. If you go to #1000 on the list you're looking at June 2016 hires. With 2-3 months in training I bet those pilots have around 500-600 hours at best. My math is showing those seniority numbers will be able to upgrade in about 6-8 weeks from today.[/QUOTE]

Yes but you also have to factor in that a lot of these senior FO are bypassing to keep their summer vacation. As the summer wraps up many are going take their upgrade before the holidays. Upgrade will go a little more senior after summer runs down, then as Christmas and the holidays approach it will go junior again.

FlyyGuyy

I wouldn't say a small percentage choose not to upgrade. My math says HALF are choosing not to upgrade. I would guess because they're waiting for a line. I'm roughly 650 on the seniority and my first chance to upgrade was the very end of March. The last award that came out a few days ago had 850 numbers. That's 200 numbers in 2 months. In that 2 months there were roughly 50 pilots choosing to upgrade and another 50 that were already captains from the big hiring wave 2 years ago. That leaves another 100 out of 200 choosing not to upgrade. So if that trend continues...in one month we'll be upgrading a pilot at 950 on the seniority list which is the only pilot hired on February 2nd of last year. We barely hired anybody during the last half of 2016 so he was probably on reserve for several months and I would guess he'd be lucky to have 700-800 hours of 121 time unless he came from another airline. If you go to #1000 on the list you're looking at June 2016 hires. With 2-3 months in training I bet those pilots have around 500-600 hours at best. My math is showing those seniority numbers will be able to upgrade in about 6-8 weeks from today.[/QUOTE]

Sweet we will be like PDT with super fast upgrades. Yikes. Again. Hopefully we don't have to go to Dec's.

Thedude86

Yes but you also have to factor in that a lot of these senior FO are bypassing to keep their summer vacation. As the summer wraps up many are going take their upgrade before the holidays. Upgrade will go a little more senior after summer runs down, then as Christmas and the holidays approach it will go junior again.[/QUOTE]

I agree that may be a factor, but I think it's mostly because they don't want to lose the SAP. If you credit 85-90 hours a month like I do and go to Captain reserve making min credit you're only getting about a 7k a year raise unless you live in base and don't need a crashpad. After taxes that's about 150 bucks extra a paycheck. Whoopty F&@$ing doo. Not to mention getting 4-6 less days off a month. If you SAP to 65 or live in base it's a no brainer. You should upgrade. Otherwise, it's not worth it. It would take some hard work and maybe a little luck but I could pick up one more trip each month for critical or SDO and I'd make 3,000 MORE per year than a reserve captain even without the cost of a crashpad. Plus, I'd still have 1-2 more days off a month and never have to be abused by scheduling.