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Old 05-02-2017, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by armypilot
How soon after interview/cjo could someone expect to get into a class?
As little as a week or two. Depends on your availability.
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Old 05-02-2017, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TallFlyer
Generally speaking, TYS and DAY will see the most 200 flying, CVG and DCA will see very little, with CLT somewhere in the middle, but leaning towards very little.

That said, there's no way to avoid the 200 entirely, in any domicile, particularly on reserve.
Thanks!
Not trying to avoid it, just wanted to see if you can remain proficient on all 3.
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Old 05-02-2017, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by VrefPlus5
Thanks!
Not trying to avoid it, just wanted to see if you can remain proficient on all 3.
Are they not all the same type rating? Are each individual model a different type rating?
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Old 05-02-2017, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ItnStln
Are they not all the same type rating? Are each individual model a different type rating?
They are all the CL65 type rating. There are just a few differences. It really isn't a big deal, other than the 200's are old and the 900's are new, and the 200's tend to get very warm in the summer months.
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Old 05-02-2017, 11:15 PM
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Offer is good for 6 months at most. Based on your availability and openings, it could be a couple of weeks. If the next class is full you can also tell them you are available on short notice in case someone does not show up (it happens).
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Old 05-03-2017, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Actually, this is exactly what happened to a guy I used to work with. He was failed and not even permitted to take the ride from the right seat. I just had to check to make sure everyone here was aware this is happening.
If he failed a PSA FO checkride from the left seat then he was a train wreck to begin with. This is not only a type ride but also a company proficiency check where monitoring duties must be tested as well. The calls aren't seat specific.

There are two outcomes to any check ride; it's either 'I passed' or 'he failed me' Unless you're in the box then you'll never know the real reason someone didn't get through.
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Old 05-03-2017, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by MitchRapp
If he failed a PSA FO checkride from the left seat then he was a train wreck to begin with. This is not only a type ride but also a company proficiency check where monitoring duties must be tested as well. The calls aren't seat specific.

There are two outcomes to any check ride; it's either 'I passed' or 'he failed me' Unless you're in the box then you'll never know the real reason someone didn't get through.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ agreed!
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Old 05-03-2017, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by MitchRapp
If he failed a PSA FO checkride from the left seat then he was a train wreck to begin with. This is not only a type ride but also a company proficiency check where monitoring duties must be tested as well. The calls aren't seat specific.

There are two outcomes to any check ride; it's either 'I passed' or 'he failed me' Unless you're in the box then you'll never know the real reason someone didn't get through.
Very well put!
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Old 05-04-2017, 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Actually, this is exactly what happened to a guy I used to work with. He was failed and not even permitted to take the ride from the right seat. I just had to check to make sure everyone here was aware this is happening.
And this will continue to happen! Seriously? Let's put a qualified captain instructor in the left seat why? to help get you though your check ride? When I am called as seat fill I am dumber then a box of rocks. I'll do exactly what you ask of me. You ask for flaps 8 at 250 then you get flaps 8 at 250! Why? To make sure you know what the hell your doing! This is the last stop before being sent to the line. Having a qualified left seat fill does nothing to ensure you know your limitations and how to fly the aircraft. If you have been signed off, chances are good you know what your doing and will be able to pass while sitting next to your partner who has been along this journey with you for all 8-10 sessions.
Now, if you fail, and yes, we fail students in the left seat as well then it is because you have no concept of pilot monitoring duties. Has nothing to do with and we are not looking for captain flows. Hell, I will tell you the flow, but, I will not tell you how to intercept a radial off a VOR for a DME then proceed to another fix. You should be able to do that from either seat.
So please, do not come on here preaching this is a negative learning environment. Come spend a day with me in-fact come spend the night shift 2200-0200 with me so I can show you how it is still a positive experience!
All in all, just know your duties and how to fly the aircraft. Because God forbid your captain falls incapacitated and you are left on your own to cover all the duties!
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Originally Posted by newcfii
And this will continue to happen! Seriously? Let's put a qualified captain instructor in the left seat why? to help get you though your check ride? When I am called as seat fill I am dumber then a box of rocks. I'll do exactly what you ask of me. You ask for flaps 8 at 250 then you get flaps 8 at 250! Why? To make sure you know what the hell your doing! This is the last stop before being sent to the line. Having a qualified left seat fill does nothing to ensure you know your limitations and how to fly the aircraft. If you have been signed off, chances are good you know what your doing and will be able to pass while sitting next to your partner who has been along this journey with you for all 8-10 sessions.
Now, if you fail, and yes, we fail students in the left seat as well then it is because you have no concept of pilot monitoring duties. Has nothing to do with and we are not looking for captain flows. Hell, I will tell you the flow, but, I will not tell you how to intercept a radial off a VOR for a DME then proceed to another fix. You should be able to do that from either seat.
So please, do not come on here preaching this is a negative learning environment. Come spend a day with me in-fact come spend the night shift 2200-0200 with me so I can show you how it is still a positive experience!
All in all, just know your duties and how to fly the aircraft. Because God forbid your captain falls incapacitated and you are left on your own to cover all the duties!
It is a negative learning environment. The pilot will NEVER be expected to conduct PM or CA flow duties from the left side of the airplane for at least 1.5-2 years. Having him do all those duties from the left seat is the definition of negative learning. And if you are failing students from the the left seat for PM duties (not what the guy said, he said Captain flows), then perhaps your instructors aren't doing a good enough job evaluating whether the students are ready for the check ride. PM duties are fairly straight forward. Perhaps the expectations aren't being set early enough in training.

Your argument about flying solo is a joke at best. If you were training someone to do that, you might as well have him take the checkride solo. A 121 cockpit is a team environment. Knowing how to operate the aircraft safely is one thing. Setting the students up for failure is another one all together. At both airlines I've worked at, it is standard practice to have the Captain be a seat-fill or at least be an upgrading CA. The duties and expectations of a Captain and a first officer are completely different, especially if both people came from a non-airline environment.
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