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12-27-2017, 07:51 PM
#1672
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Joined APC: Mar 2016
Posts: 193
12-28-2017, 03:56 AM
#1674
On Reserve
Joined APC: Apr 2017
Posts: 15
What type of estimate for total flight hours do you think someone who was awarded CLT might get in the first six, nine, and twelve months taking into account it seems like that base would put them at the longest time to hold a line?
12-28-2017, 04:20 AM
#1675
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 521
Reserve times are creeping up slowly. I am not sure of the exact schedule of transfers of airplanes to PSA in 2018, but with the size of the new hire classes and from the word out of Dayton, it should be 2 airplanes per month starting soon.
The additional flying that this will bring, in addition to the increased upgrades, coupled with the attrition, movement should really speed up on the FO side. We are WAY overstaffed right now based on the number of pilots vs airplanes. That is why the reserve times are creeping up. There were times in 2015 where FOs moved up more than 50 spots closer to a line in a month. That will likely happen again.
Once we start taking 2 airplanes a month again, reserve times should drop back to where they were a few months ago.
As far as how much you can fly, how much do you want to fly? Some people on reserve will fly 30 hours a month while others fly 70. Some of it is luck, other is who is asking for first out and picking up flying on days off.
This works best if you live in base and don't commute...If you are on reserve 19 days out of the month and are only used 9 of those days, you have 10 days where you are being paid and not flying at all. For me, those were almost like days off. I would have a bag packed but just went about my normal life every day. When that happens, pick up extra flying on days off and get paid extra money for it. 1.25x on top of guarantee for any additional flying that you pick up.
The additional flying that this will bring, in addition to the increased upgrades, coupled with the attrition, movement should really speed up on the FO side. We are WAY overstaffed right now based on the number of pilots vs airplanes. That is why the reserve times are creeping up. There were times in 2015 where FOs moved up more than 50 spots closer to a line in a month. That will likely happen again.
Once we start taking 2 airplanes a month again, reserve times should drop back to where they were a few months ago.
As far as how much you can fly, how much do you want to fly? Some people on reserve will fly 30 hours a month while others fly 70. Some of it is luck, other is who is asking for first out and picking up flying on days off.
This works best if you live in base and don't commute...If you are on reserve 19 days out of the month and are only used 9 of those days, you have 10 days where you are being paid and not flying at all. For me, those were almost like days off. I would have a bag packed but just went about my normal life every day. When that happens, pick up extra flying on days off and get paid extra money for it. 1.25x on top of guarantee for any additional flying that you pick up.
12-28-2017, 05:56 AM
#1676
On Reserve
Joined APC: Apr 2017
Posts: 15
Reserve times are creeping up slowly. I am not sure of the exact schedule of transfers of airplanes to PSA in 2018, but with the size of the new hire classes and from the word out of Dayton, it should be 2 airplanes per month starting soon.
The additional flying that this will bring, in addition to the increased upgrades, coupled with the attrition, movement should really speed up on the FO side. We are WAY overstaffed right now based on the number of pilots vs airplanes. That is why the reserve times are creeping up. There were times in 2015 where FOs moved up more than 50 spots closer to a line in a month. That will likely happen again.
Once we start taking 2 airplanes a month again, reserve times should drop back to where they were a few months ago.
As far as how much you can fly, how much do you want to fly? Some people on reserve will fly 30 hours a month while others fly 70. Some of it is luck, other is who is asking for first out and picking up flying on days off.
This works best if you live in base and don't commute...If you are on reserve 19 days out of the month and are only used 9 of those days, you have 10 days where you are being paid and not flying at all. For me, those were almost like days off. I would have a bag packed but just went about my normal life every day. When that happens, pick up extra flying on days off and get paid extra money for it. 1.25x on top of guarantee for any additional flying that you pick up.
The additional flying that this will bring, in addition to the increased upgrades, coupled with the attrition, movement should really speed up on the FO side. We are WAY overstaffed right now based on the number of pilots vs airplanes. That is why the reserve times are creeping up. There were times in 2015 where FOs moved up more than 50 spots closer to a line in a month. That will likely happen again.
Once we start taking 2 airplanes a month again, reserve times should drop back to where they were a few months ago.
As far as how much you can fly, how much do you want to fly? Some people on reserve will fly 30 hours a month while others fly 70. Some of it is luck, other is who is asking for first out and picking up flying on days off.
This works best if you live in base and don't commute...If you are on reserve 19 days out of the month and are only used 9 of those days, you have 10 days where you are being paid and not flying at all. For me, those were almost like days off. I would have a bag packed but just went about my normal life every day. When that happens, pick up extra flying on days off and get paid extra money for it. 1.25x on top of guarantee for any additional flying that you pick up.
Thank you for the information, it's helpful. I'm currently trying to decide between applying to PSA and living in CLT or doing contract ISR overseas and have the family live in CLT while I'm gone.
12-28-2017, 07:40 AM
#1677
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Joined APC: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,089
I'm separating from the military in the coming months after being an F-18 Instructor Pilot with the goal of flying for American and being based out of CLT. I'm short hours with just over 1,000 total, 760 ME, with an rATP and 737 type so I'd like to fly as much as possible to move towards that goal. I'd have no problems picking up as many trips as possible while on reserve, but it's nice to have an estimate for planning purposes.
Thank you for the information, it's helpful. I'm currently trying to decide between applying to PSA and living in CLT or doing contract ISR overseas and have the family live in CLT while I'm gone.
Thank you for the information, it's helpful. I'm currently trying to decide between applying to PSA and living in CLT or doing contract ISR overseas and have the family live in CLT while I'm gone.
Speak to a recruiter at AA about your decision(contract v. PSA) and ask them which would be the fastest path to being hired at AA. Do they just simply want to see more total time(which you'll get by flying contract)? or do they want to see 121 time(PSA)? You'll get great information about PSA on this board but I think your decision requires someone who actually knows what they are talking about.
Good Luck.
12-28-2017, 02:42 PM
#1678
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 4,601
I'm separating from the military in the coming months after being an F-18 Instructor Pilot with the goal of flying for American and being based out of CLT. I'm short hours with just over 1,000 total, 760 ME, with an rATP and 737 type so I'd like to fly as much as possible to move towards that goal. I'd have no problems picking up as many trips as possible while on reserve, but it's nice to have an estimate for planning purposes.
Thank you for the information, it's helpful. I'm currently trying to decide between applying to PSA and living in CLT or doing contract ISR overseas and have the family live in CLT while I'm gone.
Thank you for the information, it's helpful. I'm currently trying to decide between applying to PSA and living in CLT or doing contract ISR overseas and have the family live in CLT while I'm gone.
12-30-2017, 03:56 AM
#1679
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 521
I am bored sitting at the airport this morning, so I took a look at who will flow in 2018 with the increase.
When hired in 2014, I thought there was no way that I would flow in 6 years of being hired. I figured it would be 10 years, and I would end up somewhere else long before then. But...
We are currently finishing up the 2007 hires now that are flowing to AA. In the next year, we should be able to flow all of those hired in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012. We may start on the 2013 hires as well, depending on outside attrition and how many bypass flow.
That being said, those hired in 2012 will flow in 2018, and those hired in early 2014 will flow in 2019. With outside attrition picking up, it is plausible that every 2014 hire will flow in 2020.
I know that a lot of people (me included) had a hard time believing when hired a few years ago that we would really flow in 6 years. But it looks like it really could happen.
When hired in 2014, I thought there was no way that I would flow in 6 years of being hired. I figured it would be 10 years, and I would end up somewhere else long before then. But...
We are currently finishing up the 2007 hires now that are flowing to AA. In the next year, we should be able to flow all of those hired in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012. We may start on the 2013 hires as well, depending on outside attrition and how many bypass flow.
That being said, those hired in 2012 will flow in 2018, and those hired in early 2014 will flow in 2019. With outside attrition picking up, it is plausible that every 2014 hire will flow in 2020.
I know that a lot of people (me included) had a hard time believing when hired a few years ago that we would really flow in 6 years. But it looks like it really could happen.
12-30-2017, 05:36 AM
#1680
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 44
I am bored sitting at the airport this morning, so I took a look at who will flow in 2018 with the increase.
When hired in 2014, I thought there was no way that I would flow in 6 years of being hired. I figured it would be 10 years, and I would end up somewhere else long before then. But...
We are currently finishing up the 2007 hires now that are flowing to AA. In the next year, we should be able to flow all of those hired in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012. We may start on the 2013 hires as well, depending on outside attrition and how many bypass flow.
That being said, those hired in 2012 will flow in 2018, and those hired in early 2014 will flow in 2019. With outside attrition picking up, it is plausible that every 2014 hire will flow in 2020.
I know that a lot of people (me included) had a hard time believing when hired a few years ago that we would really flow in 6 years. But it looks like it really could happen.
When hired in 2014, I thought there was no way that I would flow in 6 years of being hired. I figured it would be 10 years, and I would end up somewhere else long before then. But...
We are currently finishing up the 2007 hires now that are flowing to AA. In the next year, we should be able to flow all of those hired in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012. We may start on the 2013 hires as well, depending on outside attrition and how many bypass flow.
That being said, those hired in 2012 will flow in 2018, and those hired in early 2014 will flow in 2019. With outside attrition picking up, it is plausible that every 2014 hire will flow in 2020.
I know that a lot of people (me included) had a hard time believing when hired a few years ago that we would really flow in 6 years. But it looks like it really could happen.
Also AA hires 10 months out of the year = 100 pilots a year flown, maybe you should redo the math...
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