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Old 10-16-2017, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyDingus
Yes they may have not known about 200% but they could of been certain of those days going CCP. The senior folk bid these days. I’m sure they don’t care about making extra.
Typical union group think, only worried about captains. I'am sure with all the FOs that upgraded this year thanksgiving got passed around multiple times and went surprisingly junior, possibly with captains too if the flows could have held it. Earlier I referenced bidding it a year prior, but it applies to anyone who holds it.
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Old 10-16-2017, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Happyflyer
Typical union group think, only worried about captains. I'am sure with all the FOs that upgraded this year thanksgiving got passed around multiple times and went surprisingly junior, possibly with captains too if the flows could have held it. Earlier I referenced bidding it a year prior, but it applies to anyone who holds it.
Yes, they need to think about everyone, but how many of the last several agreements were mainly about FO's? FO's now make almost as much as Captains.

Also, you will typically spend 18 months as an FO (much less if you already have 121 time). Buy you could spend a few years as a captain. So, if you had to choose which should have better things, wouldn't it be captain? CA's being released with pay if they are displaced is HUGE.

There are dozens of people that are FO's and bypassing upgrade for QOL issues. If some of those issues were fixed on the CA side, that would benefit a lot of people on the list and people would want to upgrade.
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Old 10-16-2017, 05:42 PM
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I’m happy to see anyone make gains. I don’t care if it’s FOs or CAs.
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Old 10-16-2017, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Happyflyer
Typical union group think, only worried about captains. I'am sure with all the FOs that upgraded this year thanksgiving got passed around multiple times and went surprisingly junior, possibly with captains too if the flows could have held it. Earlier I referenced bidding it a year prior, but it applies to anyone who holds it.
This is gonna come off as "crusty old dude" but FOs have it pretty damn good right now with the combination of money and SAP. I made a little under 21k my first year at PSA and had 10 days off per month with vey little trading ability.

FOs getting gains is fine by me but the company has put itself in a position with pay rates and bonuses that the jump in compensation from FO to CA is so small that it isn't worth the QoL loss to upgrade.
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Old 10-16-2017, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ACEssXfer
This is gonna come off as "crusty old dude" but FOs have it pretty damn good right now with the combination of money and SAP. I made a little under 21k my first year at PSA and had 10 days off per month with vey little trading ability.

FOs getting gains is fine by me but the company has put itself in a position with pay rates and bonuses that the jump in compensation from FO to CA is so small that it isn't worth the QoL loss to upgrade.
honestly, its about time we see gains for captains. the last few year have done relatively nothing to increase compensation for captains, the one time bonus was nice, but you dont get it if you missed the cutoff...and it wasnt 20k+
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Old 10-18-2017, 07:14 AM
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honestly, its about time we see gains for captains. the last few year have done relatively nothing to increase compensation for captains, the one time bonus was nice, but you dont get it if you missed the cutoff...and it wasnt 20k+
I agree I’m an FO and don’t really want anything except for captains to get something. Maybe it would be nice to get rates instead of bonuses. But I plan on upgrading when the time comes and captain pay is unacceptable here right now for sitting ****ty reserve. Idk what that guy is complaining about.
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Old 10-18-2017, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by spankthatrudder
I agree I’m an FO and don’t really want anything except for captains to get something. Maybe it would be nice to get rates instead of bonuses. But I plan on upgrading when the time comes and captain pay is unacceptable here right now for sitting ****ty reserve. Idk what that guy is complaining about.
Some people can’t see beyond their own nose. Any gain for any pilot here is a gain for all.
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Old 10-18-2017, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Happyflyer
Typical union group think, only worried about captains. I'am sure with all the FOs that upgraded this year thanksgiving got passed around multiple times and went surprisingly junior, possibly with captains too if the flows could have held it. Earlier I referenced bidding it a year prior, but it applies to anyone who holds it.


I don’t know how to respond to this. It’s entirely inaccurate. Are your initials SP?
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Old 10-18-2017, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ACEssXfer
This is gonna come off as "crusty old dude" but FOs have it pretty damn good right now with the combination of money and SAP. I made a little under 21k my first year at PSA and had 10 days off per month with vey little trading ability.

FOs getting gains is fine by me but the company has put itself in a position with pay rates and bonuses that the jump in compensation from FO to CA is so small that it isn't worth the QoL loss to upgrade.
I'm a very new FO and new to 121 and I'll tell ya, Captains get beat on. I'm sitting sweet with SAP at DCA and I fly with so many reserve CA's on day 5 it's pathetic. You got reward these folks who are taking on the additional responsibility. Given the circumstances I' d be bypassing as well. Kudo's to those who step up and upgrade.
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Old 10-19-2017, 06:30 AM
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So ORF Mx base... I heard we were going to open a new Mx base soon (and honestly with the growth we need it), but I never imagined ORF. Supports DCA/PHL well though.
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