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10-11-2017, 05:25 PM
#1431
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Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 96
Wow...so it's no longer ok for Captains to get displaced and given LCR or less desirable flying, they now get released and pay protected per the MEC's email, but it's still ok for FOs to still get displaced and mistreated. Thought the Union might represent the whole pilot groups best interest...not so much.
10-11-2017, 06:00 PM
#1432
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,340
I'm far from being a "we have to pass it so we can see what's in it" kind of person. That said, let's at least see what the union has proposed before we start griping. As Tall Flyer said earlier, participation was very low with CLT rep ballots. I'm not saying I disagree with your point(s), but I feel that if we want a say in the process, we have to get involved in the process. Even those who are still in probation should take an interest in the process.
Frankly, having check airmen on reserve being able to just take my flying as a captain is bs. I didn't care about losing a few legs to a guy who needs to get current. Reserve guys just taking my trip because they are check airmen is not okay. So I'm pretty happy about that agreement.
10-11-2017, 06:03 PM
#1433
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 4,601
This is exactly the problem. Tons of complainers, no contributors.
Frankly, having check airmen on reserve being able to just take my flying as a captain is bs. I didn't care about losing a few legs to a guy who needs to get current. Reserve guys just taking my trip because they are check airmen is not okay. So I'm pretty happy about that agreement.
Frankly, having check airmen on reserve being able to just take my flying as a captain is bs. I didn't care about losing a few legs to a guy who needs to get current. Reserve guys just taking my trip because they are check airmen is not okay. So I'm pretty happy about that agreement.
10-11-2017, 09:13 PM
#1434
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Joined APC: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,089
This is exactly the problem. Tons of complainers, no contributors.
Frankly, having check airmen on reserve being able to just take my flying as a captain is bs. I didn't care about losing a few legs to a guy who needs to get current. Reserve guys just taking my trip because they are check airmen is not okay. So I'm pretty happy about that agreement.
Frankly, having check airmen on reserve being able to just take my flying as a captain is bs. I didn't care about losing a few legs to a guy who needs to get current. Reserve guys just taking my trip because they are check airmen is not okay. So I'm pretty happy about that agreement.
10-12-2017, 05:35 AM
#1435
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,556
If a new FO needs IOE, you displace the FO from a LCA's trip and put the new FO in the seat.
If a new CA needs IOE, you displace the FO from an LCA's trip, the LCA slides over, and put the new CA in the CA's seat.
How often do regular CA's get displaced for IOE? It's very rare. That said, the actual language of the agreement applies to all CA displacements anyway.
10-12-2017, 07:09 AM
#1436
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Joined APC: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,340
Think about this for a second:
If a new FO needs IOE, you displace the FO from a LCA's trip and put the new FO in the seat.
If a new CA needs IOE, you displace the FO from an LCA's trip, the LCA slides over, and put the new CA in the CA's seat.
How often do regular CA's get displaced for IOE? It's very rare. That said, the actual language of the agreement applies to all CA displacements anyway.
If a new FO needs IOE, you displace the FO from a LCA's trip and put the new FO in the seat.
If a new CA needs IOE, you displace the FO from an LCA's trip, the LCA slides over, and put the new CA in the CA's seat.
How often do regular CA's get displaced for IOE? It's very rare. That said, the actual language of the agreement applies to all CA displacements anyway.
10-12-2017, 08:09 AM
#1438
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,089
Think about this for a second:
If a new FO needs IOE, you displace the FO from a LCA's trip and put the new FO in the seat.
If a new CA needs IOE, you displace the FO from an LCA's trip, the LCA slides over, and put the new CA in the CA's seat.
How often do regular CA's get displaced for IOE? It's very rare. That said, the actual language of the agreement applies to all CA displacements anyway.
If a new FO needs IOE, you displace the FO from a LCA's trip and put the new FO in the seat.
If a new CA needs IOE, you displace the FO from an LCA's trip, the LCA slides over, and put the new CA in the CA's seat.
How often do regular CA's get displaced for IOE? It's very rare. That said, the actual language of the agreement applies to all CA displacements anyway.
The issue is that there are LCAs on reserve. That is why captains are being displaced. It's not all that rare right now. The company is actually displacing BOTH pilots in the case of assigning a reserve LCA.
To your above example......I am an LCA. I was just displaced off of day 1 on my last trip. So it happens. That being said they just bought it off me so I stayed home. Apparently this agreement was already in effect at that time before the email came out.
10-12-2017, 08:21 AM
#1439
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,556
The email 100% only says mgmt flying. So SIPs or CP/DO flying for currency. There is no mention of displacement for IOE flying, perhaps it is in the LOA but it is most certainly not in the email.
The issue is that there are LCAs on reserve. That is why captains are being displaced. It's not all that rare right now. The company is actually displacing BOTH pilots in the case of assigning a reserve LCA.
To your above example......I am an LCA. I was just displaced off of day 1 on my last trip. So it happens. That being said they just bought it off me so I stayed home. Apparently this agreement was already in effect at that time before the email came out.
The issue is that there are LCAs on reserve. That is why captains are being displaced. It's not all that rare right now. The company is actually displacing BOTH pilots in the case of assigning a reserve LCA.
To your above example......I am an LCA. I was just displaced off of day 1 on my last trip. So it happens. That being said they just bought it off me so I stayed home. Apparently this agreement was already in effect at that time before the email came out.
10-12-2017, 10:41 AM
#1440
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Joined APC: Aug 2014
Posts: 534
Any LOA with pay raises and work rule improvements should also have a copy and paste of the PDT flow language at the very least if PBS is being discussed IMO.
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