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07-29-2017, 11:46 AM
#1081
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Thats what it's suppose to be, but it as gotten awful large. Unless you've personally monitored the over all open time when RD1 closes and determind an additional line couldn't have been built you wouldn't know.
If you have thank you for monitoring it, but no reason to be condescending for not being transparent. If you haven't, you don't have any idea if there holding time to create more RD2 positions.
It also says they have to make the maximum amount of round 2 schedules, and if there putting more than 75 plus rounding on round 2 lines then there not making the max possible. There making fewer by making them higher credit.
If you have thank you for monitoring it, but no reason to be condescending for not being transparent. If you haven't, you don't have any idea if there holding time to create more RD2 positions.
It also says they have to make the maximum amount of round 2 schedules, and if there putting more than 75 plus rounding on round 2 lines then there not making the max possible. There making fewer by making them higher credit.
07-29-2017, 11:55 AM
#1082
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 774
[QUOTE=Bonanzer;2401364]
It won't ruin my life as all apply else where, also it will be sold for pennies the dollar. I think we're playing with fire for no reason.
If you work at JetBlue and SAP and use to work at PSA and SAPed then your in the best position to shed light on all of this.
I am open to anything that is a verified improvement, and am not close minded, but its totally irrelevant if you think some BrandX PBS is better than some BrandX line award with conflicts. The SAP changes the whole dynamic.
lol, yes in there 2015 contract there "testing" some stuff, report back when it works as advertised.[/QUOTE
Umm ok. Also JetBlue has sap with pbs. I've never used line bidding and I would love to have the conflicts with vacation, but I seem to consistently get better schedules then my buddies at carriers that have line bidding. I don't think pbs will ruin your life like people say.
Umm ok. Also JetBlue has sap with pbs. I've never used line bidding and I would love to have the conflicts with vacation, but I seem to consistently get better schedules then my buddies at carriers that have line bidding. I don't think pbs will ruin your life like people say.
If you work at JetBlue and SAP and use to work at PSA and SAPed then your in the best position to shed light on all of this.
I am open to anything that is a verified improvement, and am not close minded, but its totally irrelevant if you think some BrandX PBS is better than some BrandX line award with conflicts. The SAP changes the whole dynamic.
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07-29-2017, 12:01 PM
#1083
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Joined APC: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,089
[QUOTE=Bonanzer;2401364]
Issue for me is the unknown. This company has proven time and time again that they are unwilling to abide by words written on a piece of paper. I know what we have now and it is FANTASTIC. What will we get with PBS+SAP? I don't know, but I guarantee the company will try to f%$# us on it some way or another.
I'm set unless they wanna offer 30+ per hour across the board, 15 per month flow, trip/duty rigs, 5 hour min day no restrictions, 12 days off in a 31 day month, and aggressive pick up no restrictions for reserves(as awarded or displaced).
Anything less pound sand.
lol, yes in there 2015 contract there "testing" some stuff, report back when it works as advertised.[/QUOTE
Umm ok. Also JetBlue has sap with pbs. I've never used line bidding and I would love to have the conflicts with vacation, but I seem to consistently get better schedules then my buddies at carriers that have line bidding. I don't think pbs will ruin your life like people say.
Umm ok. Also JetBlue has sap with pbs. I've never used line bidding and I would love to have the conflicts with vacation, but I seem to consistently get better schedules then my buddies at carriers that have line bidding. I don't think pbs will ruin your life like people say.
I'm set unless they wanna offer 30+ per hour across the board, 15 per month flow, trip/duty rigs, 5 hour min day no restrictions, 12 days off in a 31 day month, and aggressive pick up no restrictions for reserves(as awarded or displaced).
Anything less pound sand.
07-29-2017, 12:10 PM
#1084
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 774
[QUOTE=ACEssXfer;2401377]
Issue for me is the unknown. This company has proven time and time again that they are unwilling to abide by words written on a piece of paper. I know what we have now and it is FANTASTIC. What will we get with PBS+SAP? I don't know, but I guarantee the company will try to f%$# us on it some way or another.
I'm set unless they wanna offer 30+ per hour across the board, 15 per month flow, trip/duty rigs, 5 hour min day no restrictions, 12 days off in a 31 day month, and aggressive pick up no restrictions for reserves(as awarded or displaced).
Anything less pound sand.
This exactly^^^^^^
We have been abused so much words mean nothing.
Issue for me is the unknown. This company has proven time and time again that they are unwilling to abide by words written on a piece of paper. I know what we have now and it is FANTASTIC. What will we get with PBS+SAP? I don't know, but I guarantee the company will try to f%$# us on it some way or another.
I'm set unless they wanna offer 30+ per hour across the board, 15 per month flow, trip/duty rigs, 5 hour min day no restrictions, 12 days off in a 31 day month, and aggressive pick up no restrictions for reserves(as awarded or displaced).
Anything less pound sand.
We have been abused so much words mean nothing.
07-29-2017, 01:45 PM
#1085
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,556
If all you're looking at is the open time post SAP, or trips in build up line, it's easy to see why you would think that's true.
If you look at the totality of trips that are available for Round 1 lines after they've built the trips, the average for a four day is 20-21 hours.
Could be better, sure, but it's not as terrible as the people who only look at the small sample size of post SAP open time or build up trips would make you think.
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07-29-2017, 03:23 PM
#1086
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: e145 fo
Posts: 250
[QUOTE=Happyflyer;2401374]
It won't ruin my life as all apply else where, also it will be sold for pennies the dollar. I think we're playing with fire for no reason.
If you work at JetBlue and SAP and use to work at PSA and SAPed then your in the best position to shed light on all of this.
I am open to anything that is a verified improvement, and am not close minded, but its totally irrelevant if you think some BrandX PBS is better than some BrandX line award with conflicts. The SAP changes the whole dynamic.
Nope I'm an rah guy. I haven't used line bidding or sap. I am looking forward to sap. I have to say that I do like pbs. Just an observation that my schedules tend to be better than my buddies at psa and expressjet which use line bidding. Obviously don't give up line bidding unless you get something in return. Fact is pbs is much more efficient for the company but I think it can be beneficial for the pilot group as well. Good luck and I hope you can get some good stuff in return if you go to pbs.
It won't ruin my life as all apply else where, also it will be sold for pennies the dollar. I think we're playing with fire for no reason.
If you work at JetBlue and SAP and use to work at PSA and SAPed then your in the best position to shed light on all of this.
I am open to anything that is a verified improvement, and am not close minded, but its totally irrelevant if you think some BrandX PBS is better than some BrandX line award with conflicts. The SAP changes the whole dynamic.
07-29-2017, 05:40 PM
#1088
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Joined APC: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,089
Haven't been on reserve for years but I always just called to get my time for the next day. I never called to be released I would just know I was released when either the RAP was done or there was no way they could use me and stay within the confines of the contract/duty limits.
07-30-2017, 08:07 AM
#1089
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Joined APC: Aug 2014
Posts: 448
[QUOTE=Bonanzer;2401435]
Nope I'm an rah guy. I haven't used line bidding or sap. I am looking forward to sap. I have to say that I do like pbs. Just an observation that my schedules tend to be better than my buddies at psa and expressjet which use line bidding. Obviously don't give up line bidding unless you get something in return. Fact is pbs is much more efficient for the company but I think it can be beneficial for the pilot group as well. Good luck and I hope you can get some good stuff in return if you go to pbs.
Your schedules tend to be better in what terms? Days off, total credit, maximum amount of flying in least amount of days, holidays off? Your schedule may be better than our pilots on reserve or on a build up line, but I highly doubt it is better than any of our Round 1 guys who can use the SAP to tailor their schedule to their liking. My first year here at PSA, after I was off reserve, I didn't work one weekend that I didn't want to work, and had every holiday off. Can you do that with PBS as a junior pilot at RAH, or even as a senior pilot for that matter?
Nope I'm an rah guy. I haven't used line bidding or sap. I am looking forward to sap. I have to say that I do like pbs. Just an observation that my schedules tend to be better than my buddies at psa and expressjet which use line bidding. Obviously don't give up line bidding unless you get something in return. Fact is pbs is much more efficient for the company but I think it can be beneficial for the pilot group as well. Good luck and I hope you can get some good stuff in return if you go to pbs.
07-30-2017, 04:54 PM
#1090
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 141
[QUOTE=Irishblackbird;2401649]
Your schedules tend to be better in what terms? Days off, total credit, maximum amount of flying in least amount of days, holidays off? Your schedule may be better than our pilots on reserve or on a build up line, but I highly doubt it is better than any of our Round 1 guys who can use the SAP to tailor their schedule to their liking. My first year here at PSA, after I was off reserve, I didn't work one weekend that I didn't want to work, and had every holiday off. Can you do that with PBS as a junior pilot at RAH, or even as a senior pilot for that matter?
Before the round 1 awards, the trips are good enough at PSA. The lines awarded during round 1 are terrible. After the round 1 award, tons of awful trips are created as a result of the bidding process and conflicts.
During the SAP, you can trade around, get rid of split trips and try to get whatever days off you want. But, there's only a limited amount of good trips to trade with due to all the crappy trips created from conflicts. Only a small percentage of savvy pilots get schedules with high credit trips and the exact days off they want, it's not easy and most people have to settle with low credit trips to get certain days/weekends off.
With PBS, your low credit split trips no longer exist. Pilots have higher daily average which is why the Republic guy says his schedules are better. He's probably looking at the higher credit trips. The best of both worlds would be PBS plus PSA's version of SAP. You can't compare the current line bid plus SAP with other regionals that have PBS because no one has an unrestricted SAP like PSA's with their PBS. Lots of places have SAP and PBS, but their SAPs all have restrictions.
Your schedules tend to be better in what terms? Days off, total credit, maximum amount of flying in least amount of days, holidays off? Your schedule may be better than our pilots on reserve or on a build up line, but I highly doubt it is better than any of our Round 1 guys who can use the SAP to tailor their schedule to their liking. My first year here at PSA, after I was off reserve, I didn't work one weekend that I didn't want to work, and had every holiday off. Can you do that with PBS as a junior pilot at RAH, or even as a senior pilot for that matter?
Before the round 1 awards, the trips are good enough at PSA. The lines awarded during round 1 are terrible. After the round 1 award, tons of awful trips are created as a result of the bidding process and conflicts.
During the SAP, you can trade around, get rid of split trips and try to get whatever days off you want. But, there's only a limited amount of good trips to trade with due to all the crappy trips created from conflicts. Only a small percentage of savvy pilots get schedules with high credit trips and the exact days off they want, it's not easy and most people have to settle with low credit trips to get certain days/weekends off.
With PBS, your low credit split trips no longer exist. Pilots have higher daily average which is why the Republic guy says his schedules are better. He's probably looking at the higher credit trips. The best of both worlds would be PBS plus PSA's version of SAP. You can't compare the current line bid plus SAP with other regionals that have PBS because no one has an unrestricted SAP like PSA's with their PBS. Lots of places have SAP and PBS, but their SAPs all have restrictions.
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