joseolay

And I doubt AA wants to pay for that, so let's assume if the rumors are true about PBS, it will be PBS instead of line bidding and keeping SAP the same way it is now. I think it's doable. SAP is not going away period. I don't the MEC would give the pilots a LOA that touches SAP anyways. They should know the majority of pilots can live with the low pay in exchange for great QOL the SAP offers. And most pilots want the good QOL while they can get it, because they're on their way out sooner than later. Any change to the SAP is a big fat no.

Happyflyer

I didn't mean to hurt your feelings, I am proud of their efforts. Breaking a sweat spinning your wheels isn't progress though.
I know the deck is stacked against them with the RRLA and the NMB, and any individual arbitrator, who binds us to additional subjective language.

What I have no sympathy for are these secret closed door meetings about PBS. The union MEC needs to not engage at all, for any reason. There are not required to do anything in good faith, we are in a contract.
They keep getting kicked and the balls and go back for more, even though they and everyone else knows the deck is stacked against us. WHY?

They do not need to prove anything to anyone. Just leave it alone.

But don't act like they just tearing their cloths and all the pilots are ridding their backs.
They keep asking for volunteers. Where are the Captain and FO Rep volunteers for CVG and DCA. O that's right don't want to dilute our own authority. We had 6 reps for 480 pilots we'll have 6 for 1,500.

Happyflyer

Yes, Air Wisconsin is leaving soon and Endeavor and Skywest are carving up Express Jet who is operating 10-15 CRJ-700s on a two year deal that started 8 months or so ago.
So your looking at 70-80 airplanes worth of work to get done, obviously all eyes will be on the least productive pilot group. This place will be a total zoo by New Years, when the increased block hours start showing up.

Some pilots want higher flow, some want more soft pay. Senior pilots get whatever they want with PBS anyway. SAP is definitely for sale.
What will need to be worked out is telling you why you don't need it, or it will be replaced with an equivalent, or you can't really expect to get trips out of your seniority. There will be some Mickey Mouse SAP language to make you feel good about a yes vote.

FlyyGuyy

Pay rates, min day, duty rigs, 15 a month increases with our seniority list. Clearer soft pay language and the appropriate language before I'm a yes on PBS

PSA help

SAP is not going away. Relax guys.

The only way we would do anything with SAP is to get something much better in its place.

It will be a pilot vote. No one will vote SAP away.

FlyingSlowly

And Mesa won't vote to pass a less-than-industry-standard contract.

Oh wait...

::facepalm

Happyflyer

You'll prob get that,
3 bucks and hour,
4:15 min day
1:4.5 trip rig, and
15 flows effective after 150 airplanes increased by one per quarter to not exceed, blah,blah,blah.
You'd gross $250 extra a month, and be lucky if you cleared $100 a check more.

FlyyGuyy

After 150 airplanes. No. No way in hell. Effective immediately or they can **** off.

joseolay

SAP is not for sale. If the union presents a LOA that alters the SAP in any way, it will fail. This includes switching from flica to other software to run the SAP. People will vote no for the sake of the unknown. The only way the company can work around the SAP inefficiencies is offer critical pay after the final bid award. There is one very inefficient system in the contract that is completely unrelated to SAP and causes major inefficiencies. That is the process of trips getting split apart after vacation and training. Changing that process and eliminating most of the split trips would add a lot of efficiency and benefit both the company and pilot group. The best way to fix that is PBS and the SAP remains intact with zero changes.

joseolay

You can't put a price tag on the SAP, most will get on with another company on their own merit or through the flow so they want the best QOL while their waiting and they'll accept the current pay for what it is. Most of the pilot group feels that way and you'll never get anything to pass that changes SAP, it's the ultimate QOL tool for a regional pilot. You're wasting your time thinking about what can be had for giving up the SAP, it's not going to happen. The company would never get on board with a good serious offer anyways, they are way to cheap.