CBS' Part 1 of Aeromedical Corruption
09-06-2023, 05:14 PM
#32
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Even a non-AME doc isn't qualified to make the call, unilaterally, all they can do is support your case in writing to the FAA.
I'm just stating the facts, not my opinion.
I always tell people that step one on the road to aviation is get a 1C medical, just to make sure you can hold one.
If you just want to do recreational flying, you can skip that and look into Basic Med (too late for you though, with a denied medical app).
09-06-2023, 09:13 PM
#33
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A core problem with this saga, as the original poster has presented it in multiple threads, is the route taken. The original poster is obsessed with this own understanding and arguments, none of which hold water. What he does need to do, if he has any hope of obtaining medical certification, is seek the appropriate aviation medical support.
AMAS is a known quantity that works to help clients achieve FAA medical certification. Were it me, I'd pay the piper, seek medical consultation to get the position of medical personnel who specialize in helping those with medical difficulties work their way through the certification process. Think of it akin to hiring an attorney to assist with a legal problem. One doesn't hire a dentist to address a foot problem. One doesn't hire a hand specialist to address one's heart. If one is going to the FAA, hire a professional who specializes in helping others through FAA medical certification. If AMAS can't help, then that's the end of the trail. If they can, then money well spent, but either way, the original poster will know and will have tried.
Until he steps from behind the fog of his own ignorance on the matter, the refusal to hear anything but his own hollow argument, no one can help. It's that simple.
Beyond that, the student who thinks he knows more than everyone else, who won't listen, can't be taught, and isn't open to learn, is a very dangerous student, and that's what we see here. No doubt the frustration level is high, the the enemy the original poster faces is not the FAA, but will be found in every household mirror. No progress will be possible, if it is possible at all, until that enemy is conquered.
AMAS is a known quantity that works to help clients achieve FAA medical certification. Were it me, I'd pay the piper, seek medical consultation to get the position of medical personnel who specialize in helping those with medical difficulties work their way through the certification process. Think of it akin to hiring an attorney to assist with a legal problem. One doesn't hire a dentist to address a foot problem. One doesn't hire a hand specialist to address one's heart. If one is going to the FAA, hire a professional who specializes in helping others through FAA medical certification. If AMAS can't help, then that's the end of the trail. If they can, then money well spent, but either way, the original poster will know and will have tried.
Until he steps from behind the fog of his own ignorance on the matter, the refusal to hear anything but his own hollow argument, no one can help. It's that simple.
Beyond that, the student who thinks he knows more than everyone else, who won't listen, can't be taught, and isn't open to learn, is a very dangerous student, and that's what we see here. No doubt the frustration level is high, the the enemy the original poster faces is not the FAA, but will be found in every household mirror. No progress will be possible, if it is possible at all, until that enemy is conquered.
09-07-2023, 10:25 AM
#34
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It's not rocket surgery either. "Clearance" is often deferred to the RFS and in my case, at least twice, it was. They'll send you a letter. I called up the RFS office and asked what they were looking for, since in some of the cases the documents produced didn't match what they were requesting. In some cases they will offer alternatives or more specification on what you need to get. In other situations I called up and asked what type of medical professional would meet the requirements of X, and so on. Sometimes they are going to need tests or documentation that isn't normally done by the medical provider...because the regular medical provider's concern and authority is not to clear you for flying an airplane. I swear getting your regular doctors to put something down in writing at times can be like trying to hold a fish with boxing gloves. Sometimes it's because their staff is running interference. But it can be done and you have to communicate specifically and share the FAA aeromedical letters and guidance so they can correctly respond. The AME handbook and regulations aren't a secret. You can find the information on the conditions and what is necessary there.
But all this talk about people with no authority "clearing" someone, ridiculous.
But all this talk about people with no authority "clearing" someone, ridiculous.
09-07-2023, 02:16 PM
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Some pertinent info sheets:
https://mft.nhs.uk/app/uploads/sites...hemianopia.pdf
An excerpt:
https://www.2020mag.com/ce/why-you-dont-want-homonymous
an excerpt:
"Giving up driving was the most difficult thing that I had to deal with. I spent months and months calling doctors and different agencies. I was looking for somebody to say, 'Yes, of course, you can drive with that vision,' but nobody would say that. And so I went ahead and drove anyway because I had a valid driver's license for five years. I'll tell you exactly what happened. It was an interesting and a scary story. I'm driving a gigantic Cadillac, a '73 Cadillac. It's huge. And I'm driving down a hill. I have a green light so I can make a turn. But the walk sign was coming the other way. So I came down a hill, and I started to make my turn, and a college student was crossing the street... a girl... just as I made the turn, and the first time I saw her was when her head went down when the front of my car hit her. And I hit my brakes. She popped up. She was fine. And I never drove again. It was just that situation that you know... could happen. The vision was missing where I really, really needed it to see her. So anyway, that was the last time I drove."
There are some states, such as New Jersey, with no visual field requirements to obtain a driver's license. There are other states with very stringent field requirements, such as New York, which requires 140 degrees of visual field but does not explicitly require doctors to report visual field loss. In Pennsylvania, a doctor has an obligation to report any patient with less than 120 degrees of visual field so their license can be recalled. In California, a patient with hemianopsia must re-pass a driving test to prove they are roadworthy with their condition. Laws vary greatly state by state. But no matter what the law is, it's important to consider the potential implications of driving with hemianopsia.
https://mft.nhs.uk/app/uploads/sites...hemianopia.pdf
An excerpt:
https://www.2020mag.com/ce/why-you-dont-want-homonymous
an excerpt:
DRIVING
Despite driving being most patients' number one goal, most patients with hemianopsia are unable to drive. Whether or not the patient is capable of driving, or has the potential to be a good driver with hemianopsia, state driving laws often dictate the legality of driving through visual field requirements. Here's a story told by Mark, a hemianopsia who was still driving."Giving up driving was the most difficult thing that I had to deal with. I spent months and months calling doctors and different agencies. I was looking for somebody to say, 'Yes, of course, you can drive with that vision,' but nobody would say that. And so I went ahead and drove anyway because I had a valid driver's license for five years. I'll tell you exactly what happened. It was an interesting and a scary story. I'm driving a gigantic Cadillac, a '73 Cadillac. It's huge. And I'm driving down a hill. I have a green light so I can make a turn. But the walk sign was coming the other way. So I came down a hill, and I started to make my turn, and a college student was crossing the street... a girl... just as I made the turn, and the first time I saw her was when her head went down when the front of my car hit her. And I hit my brakes. She popped up. She was fine. And I never drove again. It was just that situation that you know... could happen. The vision was missing where I really, really needed it to see her. So anyway, that was the last time I drove."
There are some states, such as New Jersey, with no visual field requirements to obtain a driver's license. There are other states with very stringent field requirements, such as New York, which requires 140 degrees of visual field but does not explicitly require doctors to report visual field loss. In Pennsylvania, a doctor has an obligation to report any patient with less than 120 degrees of visual field so their license can be recalled. In California, a patient with hemianopsia must re-pass a driving test to prove they are roadworthy with their condition. Laws vary greatly state by state. But no matter what the law is, it's important to consider the potential implications of driving with hemianopsia.
09-07-2023, 02:32 PM
#36
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Not quite sure why we keep giving this guy a platform and reply to him when he clearly isn’t operating on a factual basis. Sucks to be denied but BigKetchup hasn’t provided anything to prove corruption, just that he holds a unrealistic grudge against the FAA. And we keep encouraging responses.
09-07-2023, 02:35 PM
#37
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Entertainment?
The reality is that there are more reading these threads than just big ketchup; others come here for information, or insight, or may have a similar concern. They take the time to run the search engine, and read these threads. The discussion may prove useful to others.
The reality is that there are more reading these threads than just big ketchup; others come here for information, or insight, or may have a similar concern. They take the time to run the search engine, and read these threads. The discussion may prove useful to others.
09-08-2023, 02:37 PM
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None of those people have anything to do with it. Kind of like saying it doesn't matter that you flunked the bar exam, because your fellow law school students, one of your professors, and the guy who works at the campus coffee shop all think you'd be a great lawyer.
I always tell people that step one on the road to aviation is get a 1C medical, just to make sure you can hold one.
I always tell people that step one on the road to aviation is get a 1C medical, just to make sure you can hold one.
I did have a 3rd class but they took that away too. So, basically, they never had a problem with my medical history, but when I reapplied, it was like they said "oh hey, we were just kidding about that too." I lost $30,000.
I have a general respect for government's authority but not when it's so flagrantly overboard as in this case. And it's everyone's right to speak out against them.
I'd like ask, however, Excargodog , that you please stop playing "doctor" with me on this. What you've discovered on the internet is irrelevant to a trained professional who has spent 10+ years in highly-competitive universities, internships and residencies as well. They've cleared me for flight regardless if you agree with their conclusions or not.
Anyways, thanks to everyone for sharing your opinion; I don't think we're going to agree but it's still reassuring we can disagree in a respectful way on this forum.
09-08-2023, 03:04 PM
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I'd like ask, however, Excargodog , that you please stop playing "doctor" with me on this. What you've discovered on the internet is irrelevant to a trained professional who has spent 10+ years in highly-competitive universities, internships and residencies as well. They've cleared me for flight regardless if you agree with their conclusions or not.
https://www.nanosweb.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=4166
https://youtu.be/5ji0ZwcP4vs?si=kAe5j9-lN5QOktCJ
Last edited by Excargodog; 09-08-2023 at 03:43 PM.
09-08-2023, 03:06 PM
#40
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Your appeal has been DENIED.
Your application for a first class medical certificate has been DENIED.
When you say otherwise, you tell lies. This is not respectful. It's a filthy habit, lying.
The FAA did not say "we were just kidding about that." You just told another lie. Redeem yourself: provide photographic evidence that the FAA said this. You can't, because you lie. This is disrespectful, and dishonorable.
You keep saying these doctors have "cleared you for flight," and here you've repeated the same, tired lie. Surely you don't believe this bull****, do you? You can't be the one that spent ten plus years at "highly competitive universities," and still be that dense, can you?
Doctors who do not hold FAA authority cannot "clear you for flight." Your assertion to this end is a lie. A bald-face falsehood that is a complete fabrication on your part. You're a liar. Why do you love the lie?
Whether anyone agrees with your doctors conclusions is immaterial. It's your conclusion, offered without evidence and without any element of truth, that you've been cleared for flight by those who lack any such qualification. Your doctors are not aviation medical examiners and are not qualified to "clear you for flight." This repetitive lie is the basis of your claims: your entire claim is based on a lie.
If you can't tell the truth, you really have no business continuing posting. Speak the truth, or don't speak.
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