BigKetchup

Well no ****; if someone has a debilitating condition then don't fly, lol. Get treated and get better instead.

I can't speak for all cases and I'm not a doctor, but an applicant's testimony that was written on Yelp included the making him go through a cytoscopy to check to make sure his stones have been removed. Here's his testimony on that:

And there's a countless number of similar stories, including my own, where the FAA makes you undergo testing and procedures whose necessities are ambiguous at best or irrelevant at worst.

Excargodog

SERIOUSLY. You are quoting a YELP review? And you can’t even spell cystoscopy. A cystoscopy exam isn’t even a required part of the exam if someone needs a Special issuance notwithstanding the fact that the AME can certify most of these without a Special Issuance.






Even if there is a single stone IN THE BLADDER the guy/gal can be cleared without cystoscopy as long as there aren’t stones upstream. It’s stones in the ureter that cause the incapacitating pain, not stuff rattling around in the bladder.

BigKetchup

Excargodog
My point is that his doctors all said it was worthless and they still made him do it. Sorry for the mispelling and the source of the complaint.

JohnBurke

You missed the point completely.

Clearly as he had debilitating pain, he required care.

The airman's failure was the assumption that once the stone was passed, he need say nothing until his next exam. This is not the case. The point, which you missed, is the applicability after the stone had passed and the individual felt fine.

You've still failed to establish a case for FAA corruption, by the way, as did the article you cited, fail to support your claims.

Excargodog

WHO made him do it?

The FAA doesn’t require it. Do you accept some guy on Yelp’s posting as fact when the FAAs own documents show they’ve never required that? You provided “evidence” that was not only of poor quality but demonstrably false to justify an assertion. That ain’t proof, that’s just throwing mud and hoping it will stick.

BigKetchup

OK, sure; don't fly, get care. I agree.

Did his doctors treat and clear him? If not then I can't condone what he did. Even if you feel like trash you should wait it out or find another way home, condition or not.

If they make up their own versions of medical science at the expense of their applicants, it's corrupt, discriminatory and not based on reality. But I'm thinking you'll disagree.

According to the review it was the FAA that required him to undergo a cystoscopy. I don't think that guy has any reason to lie about it, but you're right, I can't prove those claims, but it's similar enough to my grievance to mention.

Excargodog

So, you are attempting to justify one senseless b|tch with a demonstrably false one from some anonymous Yelp complaint. Got it.

JohnBurke

You either don't read the posts to which you attempt to fly, or you lack any ability to comprehend them. Your replies really are bizarre, out of time, and non-sequitur.

Again, you can't possibly be this dense about what's been said, if you read it, so one might forgive you for not having read anything to which you reply; but then, what the hell are you doing blathering on when you haven't read the material yet reply to it?

"His doctors" can't clear him. An aviation medical examiner needed to do that, and having had kidney stones, he can't simply turn around and fly when the kidney stones are gone, or when he thinks they're gone. A determination must be made that he's not retaining stones. It's absolutely critical that he not fly until a full determination has been made that he's not retaining kidney stones which may repeat the problem, because the condition can be so painful as to be debilitating. It can incapacitate to the point that one can't say one's own name, or remember it. Additionally, the onset other signs and symptoms can be both life threatening and debilitating. In my own case, I entered the hospital at night. The next day I was supposed to take a commercial flight to Puerto Rico, then operate to Abuja, Nigeria. I can't imagine having the episode develop during any of that. Especially somewhere over the Atlantic, or in Nigeria, and it's not something that could have waited until the next point after Abuja. I was very fortunate to experience it before I got underway. Further, because it was so debilitating, I would have been incapacitated in flight; a big, obvious safety concern, but also a longer term FAA concern, because kidney stone aside, incapacitation in flight is its own can of worms, and a big one.

It's obvious that one experiencing a debilitating condition cannot fly or exercise the privilege of an airman medical certificate. But that's not the point. The point is that once one has recovered, one must report it, and one cannot return to service until the FAA is satisfied; the airman who believes he has passed the stone and simply returns to service is thus flying illegally, and without a valid medical certificate. The point is also that there are many conditions which may simply be reported at the next medical application, but there are many others which require being returned to service before one can exercise those privileges. One can't have a heart attack, for example, feel better, and go fly. Whether one's "doctors" say one is fine or not, it's the AME, and above, which have a valid say in the fAA medical status, and one is well to contact one's AME in any case to be sure.

You have failed to make your case at every turn. You have been unable to show that the FAA makes up medical science, and your assertion that this is the case is a lie. You've wholly failed to show corruption, and your assertion that the FAA is corrupt is likewise a lie. If you believe the FAA is discriminatory, then you have a legal case, but you've failed to make that or push it to a successful conclusion, so you've not a leg to stand on there. So far as being based on reality, you're offering a psychological evaluation of an organization, which is stupid on it's face, but something for which you are not qualified, nor capable to determine other than an unfounded opinion.

The CBS article you've offered that was the big show, which proved your case, failed to do so, and this has already been covered. Your own case, memorialized in a separate thread dos not support your assertions, and you've not only been denied a medical based on your condition(s), but it's been revoked, and your appeals have been denied permanently (according to you). You claim this is corrupt and unfair, but you can't show it.

I'm not going to have a serious discussion about something you read on Yelp any more than I'm going to discuss the merits of batboy in the National Enquirer. You blather on about the FAA and science and your try to support your claims based on what some guy said on Yelp. That's the level of amateur-hour stupidity to which this goat-rope has descended. Not far from rock-bottom, really. Perhaps next you can quote some guy a the bar, some guy at the airport, or what you heard from the friend of a friend of the second cousin of a guy who ate at Jimmy Johns. All authoritative and very scientific.

Your honor, this is what some guy on Yelp said...
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BigKetchup

JohnBurke
I think we're going to have some fundamental disagrements on this. Nonetheless I've been cleared medically by seven neurologists, two neurosurgeons, five ophthalmologists and three psychiatrists. Regardless of legal authority, do you still think they're all wrong in doing so?

JohnBurke

We will have fundamental disagreements on this, because you're wrong on all counts.

This is an aviation board. The topic is aviation medical certification. None of your neurologists, neurosurgeons, or other, can "clear you" for a FAA medical; they lack authority. What they "clear" you for is irrelevant. They are not qualified to determine that you are able to hold a FAA medical certificate.

What I think is irrelevant. This isn't about my opinion. If you got good medical care, good for you. This is also irrelevant.

Your case has been examined not only by an aviation medical examiner who deferred you, but you have said you've been denied, that your medical certification was revoked, and you've stated that you were informed you were permanently denied, whatever that means. You stated that you appealed, and have been denied.

You've offered nothing, not one iota of evidence, to show corruption on the part of the FAA toward you or anyone else. You offer opinion and comments by guys on Yelp. You offer a CBS article which does not support your arguments. You state you have a "team," but you couldn't back that up either, not that it would matter. The bottom line is you're frustrated and have a case of sour grapes. You've invoked "fairness," which is also irrelevant.

Either you are qualified, or you are not.

You are not.

This is unfortunate, but it's the only thing that is relevant. Your attempt to project this frustration to the FAA or other persons is misplaced, and wrong, and you've offered no facts to support your wild assertions. Your efforts are actually getting worse as you grasp at straws. Your arguments are fallacies. Thus far, you've not a leg to stand on, and the only authority that counts has made that clear to you.

Whether you accept it or not is, of course, irrelevant.