Letters of Investigation for VA benefits
05-10-2024, 01:38 PM
#121
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Joined APC: Jun 2012
Posts: 6,260
This is a discussion that has focused on a "witch hunt" by the FAA, aimed squarely at the military. This has been shown to be a lie, but one which has been repeatedly perpetuated.
I have repeatedly stated that the veterans administration opened the investigation into military personnel, investigating fraud, and further that the FAA declined to participate until the VA took legal action against the FAA. Subsequently, when the FAA did respond, and did find evidence that numerous medical applications failed to report disabilities, the FAA opened its own investigation into a regulatory violation.
The truth is quite different than the "witch hunt" argued my numerous posters claiming persecution of the military.
The truth is that this investigation involves military personnel who did not tell the truth, and any subsequent enforcement action against them is the fault of the individual who failed to report. Do not blame the FAA. It's a bit like committing a robbery and them blaming the police for getting caught. Grow up, take responsibility and own up to the failure to report. It's very simple.
The enforcement has nothing to do with being military. It has everything to do with concealing what should have been owned up to, on the FAA airman medical application. This particular line of investigation was not opened by the FAA, but by the VA, which looked for fraud within the ranks of present and former members of the military, contracted to and employed by the Department of Defense. Call it what you will, but don't call it a witch hunt by the FAA, and attempt to shift the blame from where it belongs; on the heads of each who concealed their disability benefits on their airman medical application.
I have repeatedly stated that the veterans administration opened the investigation into military personnel, investigating fraud, and further that the FAA declined to participate until the VA took legal action against the FAA. Subsequently, when the FAA did respond, and did find evidence that numerous medical applications failed to report disabilities, the FAA opened its own investigation into a regulatory violation.
The truth is quite different than the "witch hunt" argued my numerous posters claiming persecution of the military.
The truth is that this investigation involves military personnel who did not tell the truth, and any subsequent enforcement action against them is the fault of the individual who failed to report. Do not blame the FAA. It's a bit like committing a robbery and them blaming the police for getting caught. Grow up, take responsibility and own up to the failure to report. It's very simple.
The enforcement has nothing to do with being military. It has everything to do with concealing what should have been owned up to, on the FAA airman medical application. This particular line of investigation was not opened by the FAA, but by the VA, which looked for fraud within the ranks of present and former members of the military, contracted to and employed by the Department of Defense. Call it what you will, but don't call it a witch hunt by the FAA, and attempt to shift the blame from where it belongs; on the heads of each who concealed their disability benefits on their airman medical application.
05-10-2024, 01:40 PM
#122
Disinterested Third Party
Joined APC: Jun 2012
Posts: 6,260
This is a discussion that has focused on a "witch hunt" by the FAA, aimed squarely at the military. This has been shown to be a lie, but one which has been repeatedly perpetuated.
I have repeatedly stated that the veterans administration opened the investigation into military personnel, investigating fraud, and further that the FAA declined to participate until the VA took legal action against the FAA. Subsequently, when the FAA did respond, and did find evidence that numerous medical applications failed to report disabilities, the FAA opened its own investigation into a regulatory violation.
The truth is quite different than the "witch hunt" argued my numerous posters claiming persecution of the military.
The truth is that this investigation involves military personnel who did not tell the truth, and any subsequent enforcement action against them is the fault of the individual who failed to report. Do not blame the FAA. It's a bit like committing a robbery and them blaming the police for getting caught. Grow up, take responsibility and own up to the failure to report. It's very simple.
The enforcement has nothing to do with being military. It has everything to do with concealing what should have been owned up to, on the FAA airman medical application. This particular line of investigation was not opened by the FAA, but by the VA, which looked for fraud within the ranks of present and former members of the military, contracted to and employed by the Department of Defense. Call it what you will, but don't call it a witch hunt by the FAA, and attempt to shift the blame from where it belongs; on the heads of each who concealed their disability benefits on their airman medical application.
I have repeatedly stated that the veterans administration opened the investigation into military personnel, investigating fraud, and further that the FAA declined to participate until the VA took legal action against the FAA. Subsequently, when the FAA did respond, and did find evidence that numerous medical applications failed to report disabilities, the FAA opened its own investigation into a regulatory violation.
The truth is quite different than the "witch hunt" argued my numerous posters claiming persecution of the military.
The truth is that this investigation involves military personnel who did not tell the truth, and any subsequent enforcement action against them is the fault of the individual who failed to report. Do not blame the FAA. It's a bit like committing a robbery and them blaming the police for getting caught. Grow up, take responsibility and own up to the failure to report. It's very simple.
The enforcement has nothing to do with being military. It has everything to do with concealing what should have been owned up to, on the FAA airman medical application. This particular line of investigation was not opened by the FAA, but by the VA, which looked for fraud within the ranks of present and former members of the military, contracted to and employed by the Department of Defense. Call it what you will, but don't call it a witch hunt by the FAA, and attempt to shift the blame from where it belongs; on the heads of each who concealed their disability benefits on their airman medical application.
05-10-2024, 03:35 PM
#123
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2017
Position: NYC 7ERA
Posts: 2,054
I had my medical reinstated only after getting a Congresswoman , AMAS and lawyers involved.
Cost me over $19k not counting missed work when green slips were raining.
I never lied/hid/nothing.
I got nothing resembling due process.
05-10-2024, 05:12 PM
#124
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
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As a data point, I have minor VA issues, all reported and box checked since day one. Haven't heard a thing (knock wood).
They probably took one look at the thickness of CX500T's file and said "he's gotta be guilty of something..."
They probably took one look at the thickness of CX500T's file and said "he's gotta be guilty of something..."
05-10-2024, 05:19 PM
#125
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Position: NYC 7ERA
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Plus the standalone oncology and cardio ones. But those wouldn't even make 1/4 of a volume if they added them.
But them just straight up trying to find something, anything when all I had that would be disqualifying was reported and appropriately submitted and granted a SI 1st class with no restrictions other than cartying a spare partial foot prosthetic after a couple SODAs. (It's basically an orthotic on steroids but VA and FAA deem it to be a prosthetic)
I do deem that to be a witch hunt. Cost me $19k out of pocket in lawyers, 9k in unnecessary testing not covered by insurance, and probably that much again in lost wages.
But a couple posters say it "didn't count" because my experience is counter to their narrative of cheating veterans.
05-10-2024, 08:15 PM
#126
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 1,153
The enforcement has nothing to do with being military. It has everything to do with concealing what should have been owned up to, on the FAA airman medical application. This particular line of investigation was not opened by the FAA, but by the VA, which looked for fraud within the ranks of present and former members of the military, contracted to and employed by the Department of Defense. Call it what you will, but don't call it a witch hunt by the FAA, and attempt to shift the blame from where it belongs; on the heads of each who concealed their disability benefits on their airman medical application.
Thousands of veterans who disclosed EVERYTHING to the FAA received letters anyway. No concealment, no fraud, no BS, just served their country and got wounded or injured.
But here you are defaming all of them.
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Last edited by rickair7777; 05-11-2024 at 06:55 AM. Reason: Flame/Insults/Civility
05-11-2024, 04:30 AM
#127
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Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 594
Nope, your hatred of the military is showing again.
Thousands of veterans who disclosed EVERYTHING to the FAA received letters anyway. No concealment, no fraud, no BS, just served their country and got wounded or injured.
But here you are defaming all of them.
[MOD EDIT]
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Thousands of veterans who disclosed EVERYTHING to the FAA received letters anyway. No concealment, no fraud, no BS, just served their country and got wounded or injured.
But here you are defaming all of them.
[MOD EDIT]
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People have legit injuries, service-related stuff, I don't think anyone is denying that. But some have also chosen to play both sides of the fence - claim and not report. Albeit a very small minority, someone $hits the bed and we all wear diapers. I'd never expect that from our bureaucracy. Save that anger for your brothers and sisters who never left the finance office in KU, or a staff job for 25 years and are broken down from their "service".
Last edited by rickair7777; 05-11-2024 at 06:56 AM. Reason: Flame/Insults/Civility
05-11-2024, 07:06 AM
#128
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
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In my observation...
JB has tempered his attitude towards military aviators over the years here. If he was posting aggregious stuff, it wouldn't fly with me.
The VA/FAA dragnet has caught some gross offenders. People who should have known better and I've been saying for years this was probably coming eventually. It takes pretty willfull ignorance for an officer with 10+ years AD to kid themselves that it's OK to claim VA $$$ and not check that box on the 8500, or report major disability rating items. Yes the system will 100% lead you down that rosy path but at our level you need to know when to set the brake and do the right thing. These aren't 22 year-old E-4's.
Apparently the FAA has also sent threating letters to a lot of vets who have probably done nothing wrong, other than having a lot going on medically. This appears to have an aspect of "witchhunt", the FAA should have put in the effort and done their bureaucratic homework before going off half-cocked. Worst case, politely asked for detailed clarification on anything that somewhow wasn't clear to them in their own records. .Gov idiots.
JB has tempered his attitude towards military aviators over the years here. If he was posting aggregious stuff, it wouldn't fly with me.
The VA/FAA dragnet has caught some gross offenders. People who should have known better and I've been saying for years this was probably coming eventually. It takes pretty willfull ignorance for an officer with 10+ years AD to kid themselves that it's OK to claim VA $$$ and not check that box on the 8500, or report major disability rating items. Yes the system will 100% lead you down that rosy path but at our level you need to know when to set the brake and do the right thing. These aren't 22 year-old E-4's.
Apparently the FAA has also sent threating letters to a lot of vets who have probably done nothing wrong, other than having a lot going on medically. This appears to have an aspect of "witchhunt", the FAA should have put in the effort and done their bureaucratic homework before going off half-cocked. Worst case, politely asked for detailed clarification on anything that somewhow wasn't clear to them in their own records. .Gov idiots.
05-12-2024, 10:58 AM
#129
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Knock it off gents.
Some vets blatantly falsified their 8500's and are reaping the consequences, rightfully so.
Then FAA went off half-cocked and sent nasty letters to *some* vets who did everything right. That's not "nothing to worry about" when you're the one who has to lose sleep, pay a lawyer, and possibly repeat previously settled medical tests and adjudication.
End of story.
Some vets blatantly falsified their 8500's and are reaping the consequences, rightfully so.
Then FAA went off half-cocked and sent nasty letters to *some* vets who did everything right. That's not "nothing to worry about" when you're the one who has to lose sleep, pay a lawyer, and possibly repeat previously settled medical tests and adjudication.
End of story.
05-12-2024, 02:03 PM
#130
On Reserve
Joined APC: Aug 2023
Posts: 16
My medical record from the DoD is 1232 hard earned pages. You shouldnt be flippant.
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