Piedmont Airlines News & Rumors
05-05-2017, 06:55 PM
#72
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2016
Posts: 761
I haven't read the fb post so I can't comment on what was said. But here's my 2.
The time of upgrade isn't the issue. The issue that those of us who made this lateral move are on the sidelines watching others who started after us get awards which we could have held.
Is an 8 month upgrade bad? Obviously no. But losing 2 months of CA pay and PIC time, when people who were hired later are going to upgrade class on Monday, is going to upset people who jumped ship to come here.
There is also no guarantee that the next bid will not be handled in the same manner that the previous one was. You say 2 months but neither you, I, or most likely even the company knows that. ie they could continue to award upgrades only to dash pilots and then just intentionally leave CA vacancies unfilled. This means for 145 new hires with previous 121, we don't upgrade and we aren't paid bypass. Could be 2 months or 4 or 6, without knowing every pilots TT and what they want to bid it's a complete guess.
All of us have put our time in at the regionals and making lateral moves come with risks. Upgrade train derails? that sucks but that's a risk you took. Get stuck on bypass? lame, but at least your getting paid. Out of seniority upgrade awards without compensation for those jumped? that doesn't really sit right.
The time of upgrade isn't the issue. The issue that those of us who made this lateral move are on the sidelines watching others who started after us get awards which we could have held.
Is an 8 month upgrade bad? Obviously no. But losing 2 months of CA pay and PIC time, when people who were hired later are going to upgrade class on Monday, is going to upset people who jumped ship to come here.
There is also no guarantee that the next bid will not be handled in the same manner that the previous one was. You say 2 months but neither you, I, or most likely even the company knows that. ie they could continue to award upgrades only to dash pilots and then just intentionally leave CA vacancies unfilled. This means for 145 new hires with previous 121, we don't upgrade and we aren't paid bypass. Could be 2 months or 4 or 6, without knowing every pilots TT and what they want to bid it's a complete guess.
All of us have put our time in at the regionals and making lateral moves come with risks. Upgrade train derails? that sucks but that's a risk you took. Get stuck on bypass? lame, but at least your getting paid. Out of seniority upgrade awards without compensation for those jumped? that doesn't really sit right.
05-05-2017, 08:47 PM
#73
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 336
I was about to suggest gojet if he was looking for a direct CA slot. For those who are interested in pdt, upgrade time in the jet as of now is about 6 months.
05-06-2017, 09:30 AM
#75
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Position: Professional Eugoogoolizer at the Derek Zoolander Center For Kids Who Can’t Read Good
Posts: 1,191
I haven't read the fb post so I can't comment on what was said. But here's my 2.
The time of upgrade isn't the issue. The issue that those of us who made this lateral move are on the sidelines watching others who started after us get awards which we could have held.
Is an 8 month upgrade bad? Obviously no. But losing 2 months of CA pay and PIC time, when people who were hired later are going to upgrade class on Monday, is going to upset people who jumped ship to come here.
There is also no guarantee that the next bid will not be handled in the same manner that the previous one was. You say 2 months but neither you, I, or most likely even the company knows that. ie they could continue to award upgrades only to dash pilots and then just intentionally leave CA vacancies unfilled. This means for 145 new hires with previous 121, we don't upgrade and we aren't paid bypass. Could be 2 months or 4 or 6, without knowing every pilots TT and what they want to bid it's a complete guess.
All of us have put our time in at the regionals and making lateral moves come with risks. Upgrade train derails? that sucks but that's a risk you took. Get stuck on bypass? lame, but at least your getting paid. Out of seniority upgrade awards without compensation for those jumped? that doesn't really sit right.
The time of upgrade isn't the issue. The issue that those of us who made this lateral move are on the sidelines watching others who started after us get awards which we could have held.
Is an 8 month upgrade bad? Obviously no. But losing 2 months of CA pay and PIC time, when people who were hired later are going to upgrade class on Monday, is going to upset people who jumped ship to come here.
There is also no guarantee that the next bid will not be handled in the same manner that the previous one was. You say 2 months but neither you, I, or most likely even the company knows that. ie they could continue to award upgrades only to dash pilots and then just intentionally leave CA vacancies unfilled. This means for 145 new hires with previous 121, we don't upgrade and we aren't paid bypass. Could be 2 months or 4 or 6, without knowing every pilots TT and what they want to bid it's a complete guess.
All of us have put our time in at the regionals and making lateral moves come with risks. Upgrade train derails? that sucks but that's a risk you took. Get stuck on bypass? lame, but at least your getting paid. Out of seniority upgrade awards without compensation for those jumped? that doesn't really sit right.
05-06-2017, 05:11 PM
#77
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 2,450
I don't think that will help AWAC. You're gonna throw that kinda of money at new hires and not give any to those that are there and especially the captains? Should make for interesting cockpit talk for sure.
05-07-2017, 03:11 PM
#78
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 37
Read the fine print... "Bonus" includes 401k, health insurance, referral, and renention bonus'... Smoke and mirrors much???
http://www.airwis.com/content/pilots...ierMay2017.pdf
05-08-2017, 06:41 AM
#79
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 2,450
Yes this is become a recent recruiting tactic of many of the contract carriers. Including per diem, benefits, 401k and I even think I saw one airline include the hotels they put you in training as compensation 😂😂. I think it's absolutely ridiculous that airlines can pad on up to $20,000 of compensation and make it look like that is what your yearly earnings will be. I wonder what our total compensation could be. Can we include the price of positive spacing to and from training and the 100 water bottles used on trips in our compensation? That could pad at least another few hundred bucks.
On a different note any news on the May new hire class numbers? Will we be flowing 5 this month??
On a different note any news on the May new hire class numbers? Will we be flowing 5 this month??
05-08-2017, 10:03 AM
#80
Where is my weekends off?
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: A320
Posts: 327
Yes this is become a recent recruiting tactic of many of the contract carriers. Including per diem, benefits, 401k and I even think I saw one airline include the hotels they put you in training as compensation 😂😂. I think it's absolutely ridiculous that airlines can pad on up to $20,000 of compensation and make it look like that is what your yearly earnings will be. I wonder what our total compensation could be. Can we include the price of positive spacing to and from training and the 100 water bottles used on trips in our compensation? That could pad at least another few hundred bucks.
On a different note any news on the May new hire class numbers? Will we be flowing 5 this month??
On a different note any news on the May new hire class numbers? Will we be flowing 5 this month??
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