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10-14-2017, 08:30 PM

#781

DoNoHarm

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Originally Posted by Flyjustin

yeah. We have to limit 20/mo because we dont have the infrastructure. we still have 60 First Officers waiting for OE.... and because were still on 40 CYCLES per FO, its gunna be a while to catch up. Baltimore FSDO wont let us switch to hours. PHL-STL is a big cycle.

Ouch. That sucks. How are you not losing more than 20/month to attrition to the majors? You should be shrinking.

10-14-2017, 08:34 PM

#782

Flyjustin

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Originally Posted by DoNoHarm

Ouch. That sucks. How are you not losing more than 20/month to attrition to the majors? You should be shrinking.

Most here within 2 years of flow (half the list) have given up on applying elsewhere. We have the flowback clause and honestly we're in pay rates negotiations. If we get close to 9E, attrition will stop. attrition to other airlines is at like 1-2 MAYBE every to every other month.

10-14-2017, 09:05 PM

#783

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Originally Posted by yeksene

Wouldn't 60 jets be just over 600 pilots? Each jet staffed at about 10 per would come to 600...maybe a little over that if we consider pilots in training and still adaquately staffing.

I'll help your math... if you are saying 10 per aircraft you should mean 10 crews hence a multiplication factor of 2...

10-15-2017, 05:59 AM

#784

yeksene

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Originally Posted by Andytcsi

I'll help your math... if you are saying 10 per aircraft you should mean 10 crews hence a multiplication factor of 2...

I do not mean crews, but to get to the ~1200 pilots certainly more planes I would think. I hope hiring and training dept will keep improving.

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10-15-2017, 06:19 AM

#785

PDTFlyer

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Front loading. We’ve been told to hire as many as possible until further notice from Daddy American.

10-15-2017, 07:32 AM

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BeechPilot33

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Originally Posted by PDTFlyer

Front loading. We’ve been told to hire as many as possible until further notice from Daddy American.

Gotta build up for that new base in Florida.

10-15-2017, 08:17 AM

#787

PDTFlyer

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Originally Posted by BeechPilot33

Gotta build up for that new base in Florida.

Don’t I wish. Lol

10-15-2017, 08:33 AM

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jonnyjetprop

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Originally Posted by BeechPilot33

Gotta build up for that new base in Florida.

Guys, it's going to be LAX. Long live Wings West. (The truth is we're all guessing what future bases are coming to Piedmont)

10-15-2017, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jonnyjetprop

Guys, it's going to be LAX. Long live Wings West. (The truth is we're all guessing what future bases are coming to Piedmont)

Lax, phx, heck why not sea

10-15-2017, 09:39 AM

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Pedro4President

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Originally Posted by Lvlng4Spd

They are just front-loading. They know they won't be able to keep that up indefinitely. As hiring at legacies and LCCs picks up even more, there is no way Envoy or anyone else will be able to hang on to pilots. Envoy will contract/shrink...no question about it.

I have stopped making statements that could end in "no question about it." Think back a couple few years and evaluate these statements. PDT will have flow to AA. NH will be paid 60k their first year. Envoy will have one of the fast times to upgrade.

The regional industry is taking on massive changes and I think Envoy will or could shrink. The question is at what size or what year will Envoy begin to shrink.