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Old 12-27-2021, 03:32 PM
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I heard it was MIA, no merge.
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Old 12-27-2021, 07:39 PM
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Old 12-28-2021, 06:06 AM
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2022 will be rough for Piedmont. Staffing problems are going to continue to plague the airline. Captains and LCAs are getting out as fast as they can and Piedmont cannot find and train enough new people to fill the void. Also, factor in that the 145 and 50 seat aircraft are a dying breed and that type of regional model of flying is not going to survive forever. I imagine that the only thing really helping Piedmont limp along is covid and how that has affected the industry as a whole. So I say it again, 2022 is going to be rough and things needs to change or Piedmont will continue to be the sinking ship that it is.
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Old 12-29-2021, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by CADR
2022 will be rough for Piedmont. Staffing problems are going to continue to plague the airline. Captains and LCAs are getting out as fast as they can and Piedmont cannot find and train enough new people to fill the void. Also, factor in that the 145 and 50 seat aircraft are a dying breed and that type of regional model of flying is not going to survive forever. I imagine that the only thing really helping Piedmont limp along is covid and how that has affected the industry as a whole. So I say it again, 2022 is going to be rough and things needs to change or Piedmont will continue to be the sinking ship that it is.
In other forums I've seen estimates that for the mainline carriers to meet their 2022 hiring goals they'll need 9000 of the 20,000 Regional Pilots. And that's allowing for pilots coming from the Military, 135, and Corporate. And that's not allowing for the Fractional Operators who are hiring like crazy and generally have much better pay and benefits than Regionals. The general feeling is the Wholly Owned Regionals will have to be incorporated into mainline in some fashion, not just some "flow-thru" that may happen in 5-8 years. Something like guaranteed mainline pay after X number of years.

I don't know how accurate the 20K Regional Pilots is, I just checked the Bureau of Labor Stats site and they say there are 113,900 Commercial Pilots in 2020.
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Old 12-29-2021, 11:24 AM
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There's always visas and the overseas guys, right?

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Old 12-29-2021, 12:52 PM
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the current program is only Australians. But that would be a quick (and reversible) way for congress to goose supply.
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Originally Posted by AirBear
In other forums I've seen estimates that for the mainline carriers to meet their 2022 hiring goals they'll need 9000 of the 20,000 Regional Pilots. And that's allowing for pilots coming from the Military, 135, and Corporate. And that's not allowing for the Fractional Operators who are hiring like crazy and generally have much better pay and benefits than Regionals. The general feeling is the Wholly Owned Regionals will have to be incorporated into mainline in some fashion, not just some "flow-thru" that may happen in 5-8 years. Something like guaranteed mainline pay after X number of years.

I don't know how accurate the 20K Regional Pilots is, I just checked the Bureau of Labor Stats site and they say there are 113,900 Commercial Pilots in 2020.
You can go through the profiles for the regional carriers on this website and add up the total pilots. Granted, a lot of the pages are out-of-date, but it'll give you a good rough order of magnitude of how many pilots are out there. Unless APC is missing some regionals or there's some massive 135 operation with more pilots than Envoy, that I've ever heard of, I don't see the numbers being significantly different.
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Old 12-29-2021, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by AirBear
In other forums I've seen estimates that for the mainline carriers to meet their 2022 hiring goals they'll need 9000 of the 20,000 Regional Pilots. And that's allowing for pilots coming from the Military, 135, and Corporate. And that's not allowing for the Fractional Operators who are hiring like crazy and generally have much better pay and benefits than Regionals. The general feeling is the Wholly Owned Regionals will have to be incorporated into mainline in some fashion, not just some "flow-thru" that may happen in 5-8 years. Something like guaranteed mainline pay after X number of years.

I don't know how accurate the 20K Regional Pilots is, I just checked the Bureau of Labor Stats site and they say there are 113,900 Commercial Pilots in 2020.
113,900 Commercial Pilots. Includes majors and LCC, as well as regionals. Some have licenses but are not flying. So, the BLS statistics is a red herring.

But the 20K for Regional Pilots IS accurate. Look at this airline pilot central, pull out your calculator. Yes, you get 20K. Perfect? No. Pretty good number, yes.
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The non-stop tweets begging people to pick up trips for super critical coverage is hilarious. Staffing is only going to get worse throughout 2022. I wonder if they will actually consider fixing all the quality of life issues.
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I wonder if they will actually consider fixing all the quality of life issues.
depends how much American is willing to raise CASM for 50 seat lift
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