Slow2Final

I'm not sure you could put long upgrade times on that list for PSA. In the past, it was running well under 2 years (some were pseudo DECs), and it looks like we're headed back toward the forced upgrades pretty quick.

Tjeff

Which bases? How was the commute? How long to hold a line? Double commuting to reserve for a year vs holding a CA line immediately in PHL or CLT is a big difference.

Freighthotdog

People on here have tried very hard to say that sitting reserve at PSA is better than being a line holder and piedmont and that to this day blows my mind.

dash8trash

where can you hold a line “immediately” as a captain? Not Piedmont… Also, one should note the reduction in size of the PHL base… 25 lines gone in September so who knows what the future holds. Avoid this dumpster fire at all costs.

Tjeff

I do not know what the future holds, but all we can go by now is pre Covid and you could hold a line quickly after upgrade. I would guess it would go back to that, it’s Piedmont they always find a way to not have reserves. Not saying it’s good overall compared to PSA but in terms of holding a like as a CA in a hub and not sitting reserve or having to commute to an outstation PDT was better and I would venture to guess it will be once we return to “normality”. I don’t know exactly what was going on at PSA but it seemed if you wanted to be hub based you needed to sit reserve and not fly that much. Good if you don’t like to work, bad if you want to upgrade quick. I knew firsthand PHL PSA FOs were on long reserve and not flying a lot. You know you’ll be flying. Upgrade I don’t know? Was it Dayton in 2 years? Double commute? It didn’t seem like it was PHL or CLT? Reserve as a CA? How long? I am not exactly sure but I don’t think it was immediate upgrade in a hub, I don’t know how quickly you could build hours. I mean I was talking to an FO probably about 3 years ago in the CLT Terminal was a 2 year FO and quote “******* PSA I’m going to Piedmont”. My overall point is there are issues with every regional. Piedmont especially. If you’re at a regional with great pay, great QoL, quick upgrades and guaranteed legacy placement… I hope you don’t miss your van when you wake up. My goal was quick upgrade and flying to get me out ASAP hopefully stay near PHL. I got the call in just over 3 years. If I was at PSA or republic I wouldn’t have gotten the call because I wouldn’t of had 500 TPIC, I would’ve been downgraded and possibly displaced and commuting.

The other point is, just because right now the legacies are hiring like crazy now doesn’t mean they will be forever. Most of us when starting flight training just assumed we would be in a seat at a legacy. Get your time get out. Not necessarily it’s really tough to get a call. LCC maybe easier if that’s what you want but still no guarantees. That’s just for picking a WO versus contract, of course a flow isn’t guaranteed either but it’s a little more comforting than nothing.

Freighthotdog

Company stated that Charlotte is growing

ArmyRWP2018

You are responding to your own other troll account. Maybe you should just rub one out and take a nap at the sub-par overnight hotel today.

dash8trash

Yeah, I stand by my statement. PDT (and AA for that matter) are both dumpster fires and both are risky, especially given the current circumstances with the continuance of Covid. Unless you have multiple failures or other extenuating circumstances and a flow is your only hope at escaping the regionals then I would seriously consider a stable company that you’d be okay spending some extra time at if the industry takes another turn south.

Hindsight is 20/20, but I would’ve most definitely avoided Piedmont if I knew then what I know now. I also came here for the quick upgrade and, while it was relatively fast, friends at other regionals hired at the same time as me upgraded at the same time because PDT training was SO inefficient and also because it took much longer for me to get 1000 hrs 121. I worked my butt off flying CLT-TRI, PHL-ABE, etc. and building time surprisingly takes a long time when you’re flying segments that are 0.6 hours total block… I wouldn’t bet on a fast upgrade or holding a line quickly at PDT and certainly wouldn’t make any career decisions based on that since it’s blatantly obvious the company is shrinking and the long term outlook is essentially unknown. The risk simply isn’t worth the reward.

Slow2Final

If you re-read my response, I didn't argue with the long reserve times. It's been an issue in the past, might continue to be an issue in the future if our attrition slows down. The only thing I commented on was the false idea of a long upgrade. At PSA, if you're legal and want it, it's yours.

Tjeff

I understand I was just pointing out the difference between upgrading around the same time. I believed at PSA there was a much higher chance if you upgraded in the same amount of time you would probably have to go to an outstation, commute possible double commute to reserve. Piedmont had and I will give you I don’t know what the future will hold but I would guess sooner than later hub upgrades at 1000 hours and probably a line within the first couple months. The grass is greener syndrome human nature. I wouldn’t want to double commute to reserve for PSA or even commute. Who knows how long I would be on reserve in CLT or PHL at PSA, let alone get downgraded and lose half my pay for the pandemic.