phrogfella

The bioinformatics people have been calling it since March, i.e., COVID won’t stop until herd immunity or widespread vaccine. The information is out there but gets overwhelmed by politicized “news” from the right and left (aka, just about all of it). I’d recommend following epidemiologists and quantitative science guys such as Scott Gottlieb, Marc Lipsitch, Trevor Bedford, and Nate Silver. Throw in a few Nobel Laureate macroeconomists and you’ll have the best guesses at your disposal on how COVID will affect the economy. Fox, CNN, NYT, etc., taste great going down but rot the mind just like sweets rot teeth.

aviator493

Because that was part of the cares act that ended 7/25. They are no longer allowing voluntary leaves or reduced hours to be eligible for UI benefits. I’ll look closer at trumps executive order, but I never saw any provision for it to continue.


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deraa

Heard you guys might resume new hire classes in JAN, any truth to that?

OversoldCommute

That's news to me. In October we have about a quarter of the block hours we normally have so I kinda doubt it.

OpMidClimax

Communication between department is terrible.. yes we still have a recruiting department which is still going business as usual at the moment.. i would not plan on an actual class happening when push comes to shove.

sanicom3205

You know that just about all those “senior guys and captains” have flowed in the past three years and are hitting the streets now right

rdneckpilot

yeah. That’s what happens when one is on the bottom of a seniority list and bad times roll around.

I agree the logic behind the post you quoted is whacked though... being on the bottom of a seniority list does not correlate to age at all. I’m closer to 50 than I am college age and I’m getting sidelined in October.

sanicom3205

Don't get me wrong, not arguing about the seniority system. But that logic quoted above has nothing to do with the system, you're junior when the axe is getting sharpened and you take the first hit because you're the new guy, not because you can handle the furlough easier

rdneckpilot

yes I know. That’s exactly what I was saying. The fact is there is no such thing as “a good time to be furloughed.” It just sucks no matter when it happens. It’s a t shirt I already have and really didn’t want to have again but here I am, letter in hand waiting for 10/1.

The first furlough was the hardest for me. Lots of questions about where was the union, why wouldn’t they do more to keep me working, why couldn’t they at least help me with insurance for my family... then I had this moment of clarity when I realized I was the only person that would ever take care of me. No union, manager or company would ever take care of me. I’ve been finer than frog hair ever since.

Covid will pass. One day in 10ish years some kind of crap will go down and a bunch of kids will be eating their first real turd sandwich and all the whining babies from today will explain seniority to the bottom 20% while they hold the line and don’t allow concessions. Wash rinse repeat.

sanicom3205

I agree with you totally up until the last paragraph. I'm not sure where you work, but I get a different feeling from the younger pilot group at my shop. We are banding together as this is all going down, and I have read many vowing to watch out for the pilot group going forward. That means number 15,000 to number 1. That mentally really doesn't exist at the top of the list, but it does for the guys who are hitting the streets now. Hopefully, we can say the days of "you'll be senior one day son" are gone.

That's not to say that there aren't some economic collapses where furloughs are inevitable. I just don't think this is one of them. Every airline has stated a willingness to return to pre-covid levels when this is all through, and that requires current and qualified pilots. It's the reason you are seeing new programs such as furlough training options, where the company gets to keep its pilots ready to fly the second they need them. Allowing management to get away with programs like that, rather than keep pilots employed is exactly what unions are supposed to be for. Unity is, unfortunately, a myth for many in the old cadre in this industry.