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09-04-2020, 01:09 PM

#5681

SeniorGummer

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Originally Posted by OpMidClimax

Maybe... unfortunately we are in no position to really negotiate.. plenty of pilots on the streets to take our seats for less money.

Nice defeatist attitude there.
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09-04-2020, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by OpMidClimax

Maybe... unfortunately we are in no position to really negotiate.. plenty of pilots on the streets to take our seats for less money.

maybe not negotiate. But that’s not an excuse for concessions.

ZERO concessions.

09-04-2020, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by OpMidClimax

Maybe... unfortunately we are in no position to really negotiate.. plenty of pilots on the streets to take our seats for less money.

We are not in a position to be taking concessions. I'm happy to see the AIP but it better not have a single concession of any kind.

09-04-2020, 02:47 PM

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What could piedmont possibly concede? You gals are already broke af

09-04-2020, 04:07 PM

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I believe emphasis is placed on extended leaves and SRL based on the email.

09-04-2020, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JC145

I believe emphasis is placed on extended leaves and SRL based on the email.

SRL’s and extended leaves would certainly be helpful. It puts the onus on the pilots to take voluntary leaves and zero time lines in order to keep the potential furloughed pilots on property. The question is, what do you do to ensure that AAG gets their money if you miss the target?

09-04-2020, 04:25 PM

#5687

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Originally Posted by ClappedOut145

As a commuter, I’ll be taking an SRL + unemployment. Almost every trip out of PHL is not commutable.

09-05-2020, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Freighthotdog

As a commuter, I’ll be taking an SRL + unemployment. Almost every trip out of PHL is not commutable.

Can’t get unemployment anymore on an SRL/VLOA, unfortunately.

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09-06-2020, 07:41 AM

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Lucifer

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Originally Posted by boxthrower

Don’t become the new PSA y’all. Furloughs are better than concessions. PSA already shut the door on any concessions and most of the junior pilots are okay with it. You need a good company to come back to should you choose to go back when recalled. If a single WO takes concessions AA will expect the other two to do the same. That’s why Envoy hates PSA so much.

There is a logic to furloughing from the bottom rather than cutting everybody. The youngest and least likely to have high living expenses are the first and second year FO's. Their college loans are probably the biggest expense. They won't be needing a crashpad, can probably still live at home, probably don't have their own home, wife/husband or kids in private schools. They can get the proverbial job at home depot and still be making close to what they were as a new hire FO.

More senior guys, and Captains probably are not in the situation to grab an entry level job in another industry to ride out a furlough without filing bankruptcy.
Yes, there are exceptions; but in general this is a big picture fly over of the situation.

It makes sense to furlough from the bottom, rather than bankrupt the entire pilot group. It's amazing how these short term things turn into long term things with nothing for you to do but file a grievance and wait 2 years for a resolution. I'm sure nobody expected the 2-3 week - flatten the curve shutdown - back in March to extend for six more months.... but it has.