flysooner9

I’m proof that the increased pay rates won’t keep people from leaving.

A Manikin

Well probably because after everything you have said about us and how dumb we are for waiting for a flow you wouldn't dare staying.

flysooner9

I still believe anyone that isn’t flowing within 1.5 years should strongly consider F9, NK, and JB

Theaveragejoker

I knew I’d eventually agree with something you’ve said. It did take awhile though.

blackbox348

Is it the PSA 50 seater rates?

PDTFlyer

There’s lots of hiring going on. Put some effort into your apps and an LCC will call. Vote with your feet, there’s more than one way to AA. The union did right by me, in my opinion. I would’ve held out much longer for QOL improvements, but the #TTM guys were louder I suppose. All good.

aviator493

Doesn’t count if you already planned on leaving anyway.


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Flyinguy

The fact that you think you had negotiating power is sad...or that you think this was a negotiation between pilots and management. This was between AA and PDT claiming they think “x” will help and them selling “x” to AA. AA bought what PDT sold them, now we wait till AA sees how they were lied to.

AA will either fire them, and find new management, or give them one more desperate shot....that desperation, THAT will be your negotiating leverage to get change.






This man knows what he is talking about.

MantisToboggan

So you’re saying PDT went to AA asking for this? Even though PSA and Envoy pilots were also approached in the same time period?

Flyinguy

No, I’m saying AA came to PDT (and the other WO) and said, y’all suck and you need to fix it. We will give you “x” amount to fix it.

They should have worked together to get big changes, but I understand hind sight is 20/20 and understand why PSA took it.

PDT management should/could have negotiated and said, we need x and y.....counter offered. But instead rolled over and just offered us the crap AA 1st round offered us.


But the pilots had no negotiating power after the managements took the deal. Though had the unions all refused together, that would have given WO management much more leverage against AA and they could have countered AA. But that didn’t happen.

But once PSA took the money, the 3 WO lost all leverage they had.

PDT NC didn’t know this yet, they (rightly so) countered. But when getting the response they got, they learned it wasn’t a negotiation, they rightly took the money.


But if you think the pilots had any negotiating power or could have got anything better than what we got....you would be negotiating with a lower paycheck until we all lost our jobs and would never have gotten anything.