flysooner9

Cool man congrats. Don’t think I’m in the market for a “cash grab” when I have a short period of time left. I wouldn’t gain much. Strictly stating my opinion and sharing that the majority of piedmont pilots are starting to feel the same way.

Also after being good about communicating for a while. The union has gone silent again. Zero communication in over 2 weeks.

buddies8

Same at envoy

Thedude86

Usually I agree it’s not a good idea to negotiate in public. But in this case I don’t think it matters. This offer is just to get new hires in the door. It will do nothing for current pilots to stay. Management doesn’t care about any of us once we’re actually on property. If you all agreed you’d take the offer even if it was just a mini package of skittles I don’t think it would hurt anything. Now if new hires and new recruits starting posting they would come for the skittles.... then that would be a different story. Just my 2 cents.

Bampilot

i thought you got hired by a legacy?

OpMidClimax

Our deal was not just money like psa... please stop talking about what you think you know what is going on at pdt.

flysooner9

Pretty sure at the LEC meeting a couple weeks ago they said it was indeed money no strings attached

Thedude86

So you’re saying management is doing something more than just trying to get people in the door?

I don’t have to work for PDT to know that’s not how management operates. At least in the last 5 years I haven’t seen them do something just to be nice.

Flyinguy

This is beyond ridiculous, and shows you (and many others) don't seem to understand what is actually going on here.





It isn't like this is a TA and we have one contractual chance to negotiate, and we shouldn't tip our hands. And if the company puts there foot down and gives us nothing or takes stuff, we should go on strike.







It isn't us against management. It is management against every other airline. They need to make it desirable enough to come here. Personally, I think it is in the ballpark of $25-30/h.





But I would take $1/h raise if they offered that.





If this was a TA, then absolutely, I agree with you and would not take $1/h, that would be insulting and we would have to wait 2-5 years until next negotiation to get something else. But the company is not negotiating in good faith with or against the pilots.





They are trying to figure out the min dollar possible they can give us, to put butts in seats. They are betting that, that is all that is needed, and they don't need to even address QOL.





If they offered $1/h, we should take it, it would be $1/h more than we are making now, and the company would still have to come back. I know the company knows this (and that is why they didn't offer only $1/h) won't do that, because they are in a some what of a time crunch. We all know how cheap they are. I would say the fact the company didn’t come to us with $1 or $5 shows they are aware of the time sensitivity. They can wait a little bit, but they are losing people current and new and those rates are only going to increase the longer they take. So lets take whatever they are trying to give us now. Show them they are going to have to pony up more or address QOL next time they come back to us...because seats will keep being vacated and not filled.

Who knows, maybe $10/h would have done it if they offered that last year with the TA. All I know is the snowball is rolling down the hill. The further it rolls, the heavier it gets and the harder it is to stop. They keep cheating out, it’s only going to cost them more. That is why I think $25-$30/h across the board is needed right now to stop the snowball.

Take the Pepsi challenge. The company went all in with their bet that $10(allegedly) would do. Let’s us go all in and take it, betting it won’t do.





The fact we are trying to negotiate is beyond dumb, and shows we have no clue what is going on. Take whatever they give us and it doesn't hurt to tell them, "hey stupid cheapo, this is going to cost you more in the long run if you don't just pay up now". If you can convince them, great, if not, it's ok, they will lose more money, and will give away more raises.





IF none of that above is true, if $1/h would help fill seats (which it won't) then we have no leverage, and holding out for more is dumb and will never happen. We have leverage again based off PDT trying to be slightly competitive with other airlines (enough to fill seats and retain seats).





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MneA9pgLVw







#TTM

flydpaarrow

All this and now the great Pringle shortage of 2019.

OpMidClimax

Heard if we take the pay raise we get one canister of pringles and a bottle of water a day.... snack boxes are a firm no.