Piedmont Airlines News & Rumors
05-05-2019, 08:34 PM
#4322
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05-06-2019, 02:40 AM
#4323
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The majority of ownership of republic is now between AAG, delta and united, along with other relatively minor stake holders. Please research your posts before you continue to post.
The three legacy carriers have lost quite a large sum in the bankruptcy recovery of RAH to make it solvent again. Also flying for one carrier over the other has to be approved by the other stakeholders. There are a few interesting reads about the current dynamic of the board at rah and Bedfords role now.
The three legacy carriers have lost quite a large sum in the bankruptcy recovery of RAH to make it solvent again. Also flying for one carrier over the other has to be approved by the other stakeholders. There are a few interesting reads about the current dynamic of the board at rah and Bedfords role now.
But fine. Don’t take our advice. You guys have tons of leverage. You guys will be the first regional since the beginning of time to twist management’s arm into paying you what you want. We’re in a new Era. classes are drying up everywhere. There’s no way American will be able to transfer only 3% of their feed to someone else. They’ve also changed the bonuses only about 10 times over the last 4 years. Obviously, they’re done playing that game. Heck, they probably have no choice but to give you more flying.
Last edited by Thedude86; 05-06-2019 at 03:13 AM.
05-06-2019, 03:12 AM
#4324
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That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying what Republic chooses to pay its pilots ultimately does not come from American’s bottom line. It’s comes from Republic’s. Sure they have a percentage of ownership in republic but it’s a small percentage compared to the 100% ownership of the WOs.
But fine. Don’t take our advice. You guys have tons of leverage. You guys will be the first regional since the beginning of time to twist management’s arm into paying you what you want. We’re in a new Era. classes are drying up everywhere. There’s no way American will be able to transfer only 3% of their feed to someone else. Heck, they probably have no choice but to give you more flying.
But fine. Don’t take our advice. You guys have tons of leverage. You guys will be the first regional since the beginning of time to twist management’s arm into paying you what you want. We’re in a new Era. classes are drying up everywhere. There’s no way American will be able to transfer only 3% of their feed to someone else. Heck, they probably have no choice but to give you more flying.
05-06-2019, 03:14 AM
#4325
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05-06-2019, 04:12 AM
#4327
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Position: CA E145
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American doesn’t own Republic. Republic owns itself and losing American doesn’t hurt them as they fly for all the majors. (Not saying it’s good either) American loses E175 overnight if they got rid of them as republic owns their own planes. None of the WOs could cover that amount of flying. Non WOs could take our little flying no problem. They could even give them our planes. Seems like we all are in LALA land thinking we have leverage. If you want to talk “bandaids” then we are all screwed because I could come up with hundreds of possibilities to “bandaid” any scenario. You are basically just proving my point.
05-06-2019, 04:25 AM
#4328
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American, Delta, and United have a combined 75% controlling interest of whatever your holding company is calling itself now with Embraer and GE owning the rest. So while Republic is left to manage themselves “certain unsecured creditors” own you.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2017-05-01/republic-airways-emerges-bankruptcy%3famp
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2017-05-01/republic-airways-emerges-bankruptcy%3famp
05-06-2019, 04:38 AM
#4329
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So MK is telling pilots in CUT that ALPA should be taking the money, LH the CEO, yes the CEO is in the PHL Crew Room saying ALPA should take the money, the seniority list hasn't been updated in months, rumors are flying around like crazy about no one showing up for interviews and you want to #takethemoney?
You want to #takethemoney because YOU BELIEVE that it won't help recruiting and retention. In case you haven't notice that Piedmont is the expert at putting band aids on staffing and just because YOU BELIEVE it won't improve staffing doesn't mean it won't. Here is the thing, increasing pay maybe won't have the masses flooding in for interviews, but if the already lackluster recruiting can show relatively competitive pay rates to just get a few more pilots in every month that may be just enough of a band aid. They have cadets who already have no idea what they're getting into signing 2 years out scared to death to back out of their commitments like it's some black stain or that they will have to pay some absurd amount of money back (not true). RTP's which has been a failing program from the start and the company wanted to back away from. Those two groups are currently the only reason the past few months of classes haven't been 1-3 people each. Just look and talk to the NH classes and you will see that is the case.
The goal here is to get JUST ENOUGH people to keep the planes in the air. Why did AA come to us to give us money? Because we hit our triple play goal in January? NOPE. It's because they know it will be just barely, BARELY, good enough to get enough pilots in the door. You realize right now with what PSA did that Piedmont currently has the worst QOL, worst PAY, equal to worse flow/Upgrade times. Reference the first paragraph, chief pilots and CEOs wouldn't be trying to talk to the non MEC pilots directly about how we should take the pay unless they were desperate.
Yeah let's #takethepay because I think it won't help recruiting.. Why don't you reference 2016's pay raise, and yeah I know I know they was more potential here but pretty much anywhere that has rolled out a significant pay raise will get JUST ENOUGH, uninformed pilots to cover staffing. They WILL NOT come back to the table until they need too and honestly if they do it probably wouldn't be for a year.
#donttakethemoneybecausewehavesomuchleverageandify oudoyougivesomeback
Man I don't know if some of you guys posting have money problems or just don't have second level thinking or are just trolling
You want to #takethemoney because YOU BELIEVE that it won't help recruiting and retention. In case you haven't notice that Piedmont is the expert at putting band aids on staffing and just because YOU BELIEVE it won't improve staffing doesn't mean it won't. Here is the thing, increasing pay maybe won't have the masses flooding in for interviews, but if the already lackluster recruiting can show relatively competitive pay rates to just get a few more pilots in every month that may be just enough of a band aid. They have cadets who already have no idea what they're getting into signing 2 years out scared to death to back out of their commitments like it's some black stain or that they will have to pay some absurd amount of money back (not true). RTP's which has been a failing program from the start and the company wanted to back away from. Those two groups are currently the only reason the past few months of classes haven't been 1-3 people each. Just look and talk to the NH classes and you will see that is the case.
The goal here is to get JUST ENOUGH people to keep the planes in the air. Why did AA come to us to give us money? Because we hit our triple play goal in January? NOPE. It's because they know it will be just barely, BARELY, good enough to get enough pilots in the door. You realize right now with what PSA did that Piedmont currently has the worst QOL, worst PAY, equal to worse flow/Upgrade times. Reference the first paragraph, chief pilots and CEOs wouldn't be trying to talk to the non MEC pilots directly about how we should take the pay unless they were desperate.
Yeah let's #takethepay because I think it won't help recruiting.. Why don't you reference 2016's pay raise, and yeah I know I know they was more potential here but pretty much anywhere that has rolled out a significant pay raise will get JUST ENOUGH, uninformed pilots to cover staffing. They WILL NOT come back to the table until they need too and honestly if they do it probably wouldn't be for a year.
#donttakethemoneybecausewehavesomuchleverageandify oudoyougivesomeback
Man I don't know if some of you guys posting have money problems or just don't have second level thinking or are just trolling
05-06-2019, 05:11 AM
#4330
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Let me reiterate it again, I even used caps once I’ll try one more time... Just because YOU DON’T THINK pay will help recruiting doesn’t mean it won’t. They increase the pay scales that will probable be enough to get get JUST ENOUGH pilots, a few more a month, just to band aid this place together like they’ve been doing for years, next time read the whole thing and don’t take the parts you want out of context. #takethemoney what the heck you think that could possibly do make it more desirable to come here or less?
MORE OR LESS? If it’s even the slightest 0.01% more desirable and helps get a few more people in the door, WAIT, just hold out. You lose leverage.
MORE OR LESS? If it’s even the slightest 0.01% more desirable and helps get a few more people in the door, WAIT, just hold out. You lose leverage.
Let me reiterate it again....
No one is coming to PDT (that isn’t already contractually committed). THAT is the leverage we have, and will continue to have once we get raises. IF a few more naive people come, it will be because everyone else is full (when/if that happens) and you will watch them leave in the middle of or after training. And when AAG sees them leave in droves and observe they are just wasting money getting people in the door and not retaining anyone, they will come back to the table.
This could be 3-6 months from now. So let’s get a bigger paycheck and increase the pain felt from bottom level attrition for those 3-6 months.
But if we don’t take the money now, AAG will always think. If the just took the money, it would be fixed. Let’s show them our true leverage, our terrible QOL, by taking the money and watching it not help, while laughing to the bank.
If you believe money will fix attrition/recruiting, then you don’t have the leverage you think you have.
#TakeTheMoney #TTM
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