havick206

Then ask yourself how it is that PSA flys what they fly vs what PDT flys. Think back bankruptcy era.

Flyinguy

Yea, because this isn’t an us (Pilots). vs. them (PDT management). This is pilots vs AAG...and management is in the worst case job losing position. They don’t care about pilots, they just want to keep there job. That is why they beg us to take it, and they are so near sighted, they think it will help....like some of you seem to think. It won’t.



Completed different. They had a 5 year flow (not a bs one like now) and an airplane order that guaranteed company growth. Even getting in with a bad airline isn’t the worst if it is growing. Quick upgrades were had by many, resume building occurred. 2016 had equal pay, flow and growing company.
2019 doesn’t have flow, or growing company, there is even rumors of downsizing if we keep bleeding like this....and if we allow them, equal pay.

I say we let them give us equal pay. We lose no leverage, no one will come here. They aren’t counting the few cadets. They know they “already have them”. They need new real recruits, and to retain more. The fact that that isn’t going to happen with matching rates...THAT is our leverage.



#takethemoney #wearenotgoingtoloseanyleverage

Varsity

You have no control over what you fly. AAG assigns aircraft to their regionals as they see fit. You didn't 'choose' to have AA dump envoy 145's into piedmont.


As a result I would propose that we are paid on a blend that contains all AAG owned RJ's. Even ones operated by compass, so we are paid equally.

Tjeff

Let me reiterate it again, I even used caps once I’ll try one more time... Just because YOU DON’T THINK pay will help recruiting doesn’t mean it won’t. They increase the pay scales that will probable be enough to get get JUST ENOUGH pilots, a few more a month, just to band aid this place together like they’ve been doing for years, next time read the whole thing and don’t take the parts you want out of context. #takethemoney what the heck you think that could possibly do make it more desirable to come here or less?

MORE OR LESS? If it’s even the slightest 0.01% more desirable and helps get a few more people in the door, WAIT, just hold out. You lose leverage.

Bampilot

won’t make a difference if they just merge us with envoy. and if it is true LH was in philly begging pilots to take the money, then one would think that there might be something bigger at play. I think who ever posted management is scared for there jobs is correct, but AAG is not going to remove management from pdt, and keep pdt. We would be merged with envoy, and with our pilot group being so small i am positive we will get the shafted in worse ways than we can begin to imagine.

Heavy Hive

Even the money isn't going to help Piedmont attract pilots now. Everyone I know wants to go to Republic. You remember them? The airline that filed bankruptcy because they couldn't get pilots. Will someone please explain why they are so much more attractive now? And what turned it around.
Thank you.

Tjeff

Flying big planes, having 15 days off a month and crediting 90+ hours

flysooner9

Bet if they put it to a pilot vote right now pay raises alone would pass 70-30

Tjeff

I hope for your sake you’re not a betting man

flysooner9

Small sample size but during the last 6 days I talked to at least 7-10 pilots about it and everyone said take the money now.

History says APC and airline TA’s are a bad indicator on how the pilot group really feels.

I tend to think the union feels the same way because why not put the pay raises out for a pilot vote then if it gets voted down with a huge NO that’s even more ammunition for the the negotiation team.