Originally Posted by Outof410

I actually said Frosty machine which was my original. It must be both chocolate and vanilla or its a no go.

Originally Posted by FmrPropCapt

It'll happen. Just don't expect anything earth shattering this time around. You'll get the money, you'll prob get one or two QOL improvements. Increase in flow? Almost certainly won't happen. Scheduling? Nothing you can do about that until either larger aircraft show up or aag downgrades regional aircraft size on longer legs. I could care less if you believe me but I know what I'm talking about unlike a number of people that think you will have similar work rules as aag. You guys are expendable don't forget that. They will crush you to prove a point to envoy.

Originally Posted by Heavy Hive

Piedmont is going to crush it's pilots? Give me a break. Do you have any idea how many planned retirements are taking place at AA yearly? And that doesn't even include the huge number of medical outs. They cannot afford to lose any of you in this era. 20 % of the AA PHL based pilots retire this year, and it goes to 30% next year and subsequent years. CLT is almost as bad. The number this year is over 900 PLANNED retirements.
An airline that offers only four day trips with your network is not structured correctly. You need a mix of 1, 2, 3 and 4 day trips. You are actually structured for one and two day trips more than any other type.

Originally Posted by aviator493

Wooahhh. Hold the F up... There is only one type of Frosty!!!


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Originally Posted by FmrPropCapt

I have a much better idea of what's going on than you. Believe me or not don't care I know these people. All of them all the way up and know what they are capable of and when and why theyll do things and the options they have.

Originally Posted by FmrPropCapt

I'm going to say something that won't be a popular opinion but I'd be willing to bet it's accuracy.

1: Take the money
2. It is possible to get a cpl extra hotel nights if the company decides to respond to the offer your NC made at a session that was just about pay. Prob a good move.
3. Schedules, they will not improve until you're flying larger stage lengths. Your schedule comm has access to everything and if they can't improve them as they are now you're SOL.
4. If the pay raises are not accepted 1 of 2 things will happen. First is a merger with Envoy which would increase flow times for everyone and you'll be at current pay til a joint list and cba are concluded. Prob 2 year process. Second and I consider most likely is without the staffing increasing but decreasing bc of the pay, pdt will transfer aircraft to a 3rd party airline or airlines until the operation no longer makes sense. That is the least expensive and less headache for AAG option thus the most likely outcome

Again just my educated opinion.

Originally Posted by FmrPropCapt

I have a much better idea of what's going on than you. Believe me or not don't care I know these people. All of them all the way up and know what they are capable of and when and why theyll do things and the options they have.

Originally Posted by Heavy Hive

Perfect example of a planted stooge for your management. Notice all the downside if you don't " take the pay" This is a typical F&H empty threat scenario.
A merger with Envoy makes zero sense. It makes a fiasco like what happened at PSA last summer all the more probable.

Originally Posted by Thedude86

In my opinion, no regional wholly owned or otherwise is immune to a downsize or merger. I don’t think its going to happen, because I think American finds value in all of the wholly owneds, but to think youre 100% immune to downsizing even in this environment is a bit naive. Just bein honest. Barely a year and a half ago... it only took American 3-4 months to completely get rid of Air Wisconsin. Not downsize. 100% disappear. I think most of the flying went to PSA and Piedmont, and maybe a little to Envoy. I didn’t notice any hiccups. They probably could have done it much faster if they wanted to.

Again, I don’t think thats going to happen. I honestly believe and hope Piedmont will see some improvements. I’m just trying to put things in perspective. We don’t quite have all the leverage we think we do. AA will pay the wholly owneds what they think will get people in the door and keep attrition manageable... and not a penny more.