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Old 04-04-2019, 10:29 AM
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Seniority list dropped to 734. We're almost back to flowing 5 a month again.
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Old 04-04-2019, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by OversoldCommute
Seniority list dropped to 734. We're almost back to flowing 5 a month again.
Anyone know if there is an April new-hire class? I've never seen the list update without also including the latest new-hire class in it, like has happened this month. If there is a class for April, that 734 will grow by few piddly numbers.


Either way, the writing is on the wall. This place is sliding backwards fast. Pay and QOL needs to be improved ASAP. Even if we match everything about PSAs agreement (rates + prem pay above 75hrs), it will take MONTHS before staffing is properly met on the line. I'm continually amazed at far behind the curve this place always manages to be.

Further still, say we get good pay rates etc and start having full classes again, what reason is there to believe that it still won't take 10 months to put a new-hire on the line in a jet??
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Old 04-04-2019, 11:44 AM
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PSA: flow, new jets, good pay, better schedules, upgrades, infrastructure to support the operation.

PDT: flow, old jets, bad pay, bad schedules, no upgrades. no infrastructure to support the operation.

.....same bases....we wont be hiring anytime soon.

I sure hope we have more planned than more pay fellas.
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Old 04-04-2019, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by IVVIB
Right?! Our union "just heard about it." We'll get 7hr JRM's, paperless releases, and $0.50 raises across the board and call it good.
The Union busy trying to find out what concessions PSA gave... doesn’t look like much. (Loss of FO retention bonuses, anything else?)
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Old 04-04-2019, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Phoenix21
The Union busy trying to find out what concessions PSA gave... doesn’t look like much. (Loss of FO retention bonuses, anything else?)
Heard they got rid of 10 and hold... good for them.
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Old 04-04-2019, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Phoenix21
The Union busy trying to find out what concessions PSA gave... doesn’t look like much. (Loss of FO retention bonuses, anything else?)
Paraphrasing from a reliable source;

- Signing bonus is for new hires replacing the current NH bonus. It doesn’t apply to current pilots agreeing to the LOA.

- LOA allows PSA to deliberately over-schedule the training center in case of washouts/unseats.

This shook out like so;

PSA MEC was approached by their management a short time ago and were forced to sign NDA’s before being shown the proposed agreement. Their MEC met a week later and were also forced to sign NDA’s. It appears that ALPA National was not informed of the developments until it went public.

Here’s the most important part;

It’s no accident that AAG dropped this on PSA first. Trying this with all 3 WO’s at once would have encouraged pattern bargaining. They wanted to set the bar low to prevent anyone from negotiating add-ons based on PSA’s history.
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Old 04-04-2019, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by OpMidClimax
Heard they got rid of 10 and hold... good for them.
They’re in the process of updating our ACARS to reflect door closed/parking brake released. Deadline is June 1 this year. Thank God, 10 and hold was a pain...

Hope both PDT and ENY MECs can get something going to bring y’all up to par with what we got yesterday. Y’all deserve it just as much as we do.
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Old 04-04-2019, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by havick206
Paraphrasing from a reliable source;

- Signing bonus is for new hires replacing the current NH bonus. It doesn’t apply to current pilots agreeing to the LOA.

- LOA allows PSA to deliberately over-schedule the training center in case of washouts/unseats.

This shook out like so;

PSA MEC was approached by their management a short time ago and were forced to sign NDA’s before being shown the proposed agreement. Their MEC met a week later and were also forced to sign NDA’s. It appears that ALPA National was not informed of the developments until it went public.

Here’s the most important part;

It’s no accident that AAG dropped this on PSA first. Trying this with all 3 WO’s at once would have encouraged pattern bargaining. They wanted to set the bar low to prevent anyone from negotiating add-ons based on PSA’s history.
Funny that people keep using PSA history for this.

We have 1800ish Pilots on property. Maybe 40 were eligible to vote or even on property for contract 2013 or the subsequent loa. The past of PSA essentially doesn't exist.
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Old 04-04-2019, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy
Funny that people keep using PSA history for this.

We have 1800ish Pilots on property. Maybe 40 were eligible to vote or even on property for contract 2013 or the subsequent loa. The past of PSA essentially doesn't exist.
All I know is I am the worst paid airline captains with the worst qol flying an american flag on the back of my aircraft. Piedmont and american management should be embarrassed.

“We think precisely this kind of investment in our people is going to make the difference in our service,” American CEO Doug Parker said on a conference call......


Bringing up old history doesn't get me better now...
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Old 04-04-2019, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy
Funny that people keep using PSA history for this.

We have 1800ish Pilots on property. Maybe 40 were eligible to vote or even on property for contract 2013 or the subsequent loa. The past of PSA essentially doesn't exist.
PSA MEC shouldn’t have signed the NDA, that’s how you ****ed the other WOs, history repeats itself. Amazes me how guys failed to see that. The WOs were in the driver’s seat. Greedy and short sighted.
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