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Old 03-28-2019, 12:35 PM
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If the stated is true, this is absolutely outrageous.

Upgrades are awarded in seniority order, not in the order of who is willing to individually waive contract stipulations.

Whose fault is it that we're short on FOs? Is it the pilot group's fault? No. It is the company's fault that we're short on FOs.

Is the company doing everything they can to get flying covered? No, look at open time. Out of 85 trips in open time, only 5 are listed for triple. 52 of them aren't listed for any premium pay at all.

Are they doing anything to improve the pay? No, they're not.

Are they doing anything to improve the contract? No, they're not. They gave us a concessionary TA.

They company is not doing anything meaningful to improve staffing. Instead, they're cancelling upgrade classes, and allegedly, only offering upgrade opportunities to those FOs that are willing to disregard the contract.

Any pilot that accepts this garbage offer (agreeing to a violation of the contract) is a god damn scab.

And why hasn't the union said a word about these cancelled upgrade classes? Why do we have to wait to hear about it on Facebook or APC?

Why is APC the first we're hearing of this 'deal' that the company is offering?

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Old 03-28-2019, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteyT
If the stated is true, this is absolutely outrageous.

Upgrades are awarded in seniority order, not in the order of who is willing to individually waive contract stipulations.

Whose fault is it that we're short on FOs? Is it the pilot group's fault? No. It's the companies fault we're short on FOs.

Is the company doing everything they can to get flying covered? No, look at open time. Out of 85 trips in open time, 5 are listed for triple.

Are they doing anything to improve the pay? No, they're not.

Are they doing anything to improve the contract? No, they're not. They gave us a concessionary TA.

They company is not doing anything meaningful to improve staffing. Instead, they're cancelling upgrade classes, and allegedly, only offering upgrade opportunities to those FOs that are willing to disregard the contract.

Any pilot that accepts this garbage offer (agreeing to a violation of the contract) is a god damn scab.

And why hasn't the union said a word about these cancelled upgrade classes?

Why is APC the first we're hearing of this 'deal' that the company is offering?
Yeah those FO's are going to cross the picket line in front of the training center
Not even close to what a scab is
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Old 03-28-2019, 01:01 PM
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Yeah those FO's are going to cross the picket line in front of the training center
Not even close to what a scab is
If you have a better word for it, fine, but they're complicit with the company in this contract violation, if the alleged is true.

Letting the company violate the contract, betraying the pilot group, for an immediate personal gain is betrayal. If not a scab, it's scab-like.
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Old 03-28-2019, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteyT
If you have a better word for it, fine, but they're complicit in this contract violation. They're entirely betraying the pilot group.
Lol you sir are a joke. These FO’s aren’t anymore of a scab then the pilots that are picking up triple to cover the companies a$$. Aka they aren’t scabs at all.
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Old 03-28-2019, 01:08 PM
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Very easy. No open time pickups at any rate. Till all the stuff is fixed. Take a week at most
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Old 03-28-2019, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by skytrails
Lol you sir are a joke. These FO’s aren’t anymore of a scab then the pilots that are picking up triple to cover the companies a$$. Aka they aren’t scabs at all.
Picking up open time is in the contract. There's a process for it.

Letting the company abuse the contract on your behalf, for your own personal gain, is in a completely different league.

We can not let the company get away with back-door deals with individual pilots. That's how you start a race to the bottom. It defeats the purpose of a union. We're a collective, with a collective bargaining agreement.
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Old 03-28-2019, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteyT
Picking up open time is in the contract. There's a process for it.

Letting the company abuse the contract on your behalf, for your own personal gain, is in a completely different league.

We can not let the company get away with private working out individual deals with individual pilots. That's how you start a race to the bottom. It defeats the purpose of a union. We're a collective, with a collective bargaining agreement.
Sort of like working out deals with scheduling for hotels and positive space tickets to pick up OT?
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Old 03-28-2019, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by skytrails
Sort of like working out deals with scheduling for hotels and positive space tickets to pick up OT?
Again, that's entirely different. If the company wants to offer additional incentives, like premium pay or positive space, that's on them.

This is the opposite of that, this is the company violating negotiated contract terms, and a pilot enabling it.
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Old 03-28-2019, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by MantisToboggan
Are you saying the withdrawal from training is not accurate info?

RAM IT
That is exactly what I said. It is absolutely false.
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Old 03-28-2019, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteyT
Again, that's entirely different. If the company wants to offer additional incentives, like premium pay or positive space, that's on them.

This is the opposite of that, this is the company violating negotiated contract terms, and a pilot enabling it.
So if the company offered the affected FO’s premium pay in this situation it’s ok???
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