Flyjustin

Yeah this has to go probably first. Followed by maybe a written stipulation that only 10% of lines may be min. days off without any leeway given for times of low staffing.

MantisToboggan

Don't hold your breath, seems like the old PDT mentality is here to stay with the lifer group. Old habits die hard I guess

mm1989

The lifers are out numbered.

Future Cpt Kirk

^ Yep. In a year this airline will be comprised of probably 30% or more prior 121 guys... Guys like me who's eyes pop out of my head on a routine basis seeing this operation. Happy to be here. Came for specific reasons that are panning out. But it's time to rally this pilot group together and use the new blood with other airline experience to improve this joke of a contract and some of the worst qol of any regional airline. The lifers who will do anything to protect their months of vacation need to be willing to move forward into the current century to better the entire pilot group. The "well, it used to be worse so we should just be happy now... especially with the upgrade and flow" mentality has to go too. This should be a respectable place to spend time before moving on. The Stockholm Syndrome is way too strong in this place.

- Interface Adding: Eliminate. Period.
- Mins days off: 12 (like every other respectable airline)
- Line Building: no more than 10% or 15% of lines may be min days off.
- Junior Extension: Eliminate. Any added flying beyond the original assignment on the last day is a junior man assignment.
- Modified Min Day: Eliminte. Should be a true Min day.
- Line Holder Schedule Changing Abuse: Language should be input protecting us from constant reroutes and schedule changes. If it's outside the original footprint of the trip or of the day, it shouldn't be allowed or should be 150% pay.

The problem here is that we will need something as a bargaining chip. We used PBS as the bargaining chip at Trans States... and it worked out very well. The company wanted it bad and when we voted it down, they gave just about everything wanted. They signed in PBS last week over there after securing a lot of significant contract gains.

PDTFlyer

I agree with all of this. ExpressJet didn't have PBS but we had a night and day difference vs. the contract here. AA/PDT needs to figure out how to use the pilot group better. Lines need to be efficient what we have now is such a poor use of the pilot group as a resource. I think hiring will slow once this early growth opportunity slows down. Right now that's the only thing this place has over PSA or Envoy. The next thing to draw people to here besides the "flow" will have to be a decent and competitive contract. Just my .02 cents..

MKUltra

I have only known PDT. I live in base.. this month, June, I only had 6 days off.. but will have a July pay check of 18 grand.. the place is changing rapidly as we have a new, experienced pilot group. Lifers are retiring every day. We will be through flowing the 07 and 08 hires this year. That will mean less than 10 percent of our pilot group will be here more than 5 years.

Im excited to see the changes being made. The wooden palace is making changes as well, slow, but changes are coming. Be sure everyone gets their doctors note this weekend. Instead the company should be paying holiday pay as a tactic against sick calls not paying for doctors visits.. Ohwell..

Future Cpt Kirk

Agreed. To be clear, I'm not necessarily promoting PBS. It can be a good thing but only if the right protections and contract language exist... and also only if the company optimizes it the way it was designed to be used. I'm just saying we need a bargaining chip.., could be PBS or whatever else the company wants.

Future Cpt Kirk

Holiday pay instead of punitive threats! Yes. This is 100% the way it should be. They will probably end up with more sick calls as a result of upsetting the pilot group. And they'll have to foot the medical bills. It's a lose-lose scenario for the company. Too bad.

Pedro4President

Yeah at Envoy the only way you get paid for it is if it creates a 7 day conflict. Over lapping days get paid the greater of the two not both. Are most of your lines 11 days off per month?

TheWrightStuff

I'd say about 40-50% of bid lines are at 11 days off. That being said, a lot of lines with more than 11 off have stretches of days off in the monthly interface period. This usually means someone with more than 11 days off can expect to have flying added within the interface period to reduce their schedule down to the minimum of 11 days off. It's fun.