Otterbox

Depends on when you’re projecting you’ll hit minimums and if you’re applying as a cadet vs OTS. As a cadet or MTP they’ll interview you early. OTS, they used to start communicating with you at some point prior to ATP minimums.

If you had somebody refer you, have them contact one of the recruitment team members to make sure they received your application and it’s complete. Otherwise follow up yourself via an email to [email protected].

Otterbox

Just over 160 are, actually and they’ve got another 2 1/4 to 2 3/4 years left until they flow.

PDT didn’t really start hiring until 2016 after AA bumped up the pay/bonuses to after lagging the rest of the industry and not being able to fill classes. Since then every new hire class has increased the flow time 1.5-3.5 months for NHs depending on size.

Piedmont has been around for quite a while (1930s as Henson flying service and 1960s as Henson Airline). As long as AAG can exercise cost efficiency in its operations Piedmont and the other WO will continue to exist.

PDTFlyer

I’ve heard many say the same a decade ago about Mesa, TSA, GoJet, Compass, and they are all still here.

Flyinguy

Fixed that for you.

The best-laid plans...

But there are also those pilots (hopefully not you) that is willing to screw over an entire industry (including themselves) to get ahead. Speaking of those picking up not double, or single premium, but STRAIGHT time! And if it wasn’t bad enough screwing the FOs out of triple, they upgraded and are now going to screw over all the CAs.

I understand you want your 1000 hours ASAP to upgrade and then want your 1000 PIC to meet that “magical marketable/desirable” number you were told to believe in.

First, The top isn’t worth it if you got there by stepping on everyone else to get to the top.

Second, there are thousands of 1000 PICs out there who haven’t got picked up, stop flattering yourself (in the general sense).

The company isn’t going to pay single or double or triple, if you (general) are desperately picking up straight time. I can slightly understand how you things can come up, and you need some cash, and you pick up single or double OCASSIONALLY. And I know we can't make a concerted effort to only pick up triple. But if we all realized on our own, that triple is the only amount worth it, it would be better for us all. But to not even be making any more money, just picking up time?! Seriously!?! You/we are worth much more than that too. Have a bit more respect for yourself and your profession than that.
/rant.






I agree with this

Not so much with this. Those flowing now are 2013 hires, so <6 years to flow, decreasing to 4 years for the ‘15-‘16 hires. Then going back up again to 10+ years for the ‘18 hires.

Otterbox

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You’re welcome to double check the math...last early Jan 2016 hire is about 164 away from flow...

164/60 =

164/72 =

It’s actually surprising how many PDT pilots don’t know how long they have to flow using the math. They just take the 5 year flow the recruiters told them and subtract how long they’ve been on property and assume what’s left is how long they have to leave.

Flyinguy

So number 90 just flowed right? It seems to me you are forgetting that in your math?


The first '15 is 141.
141-90=51
51/72=.7

So 8 months from now, which is Aug 2019, from Jan 15= 4y 8m.


Mid 15' is the best at 159

159-90=69
69/72= .95
Just June '15 being the optimal at 4y 6 m.

The first '16 hire is 237
237-90=147
147/72=2

2 years form now being Jan 2021. Exactly 5 years to flow (hence the flow going back up comment I made)


But all of that is strictly from 6/m flow. There is outside attrition, which does reduce the higher you get as many are too close to flowing to get their apps out there, and since we already ruled out the retirements in that "90" number. It still happens, and can push you a month or so forward.

Yea, for the first 1-3 years, the ones up top were unknown, might flow, might not. But that is pretty set in stone now, if you haven't gone yet, you aren't going to.

But it read to me like you were saying there are 160 pilots who have been here for 10 years and are still 2 1/4 away from flowing? That is greatly incorrect. Maybe I was reading you post wrong. Like I said, 2013s have flowed already, they haven't been here 10 years yet, nor will they.

Otterbox

My math was in response to the off the wall statement by [MENTION=79601]skytrails[/MENTION] that NHs can expect to not be on property for more than a few years at PDT Not only are there plenty of folks on property past the 3 year mark at PDT, the last of them still has over two years to flow.

I used #81 since since Jan/Feb flows have been announced but haven’t left yet and picked the last person hired whose been on property greater than three years (Jan 4 2016 @# 244). I think we’re on the same page, just used different snapshots/starting points for our #s. It would be swell if the union actually kept track of flow dates, or the company published the flow tracker the CPs have had access to in the past, but alas here we are.

Flow worked out great for the 2015 hires.

For new hires considering PDT, flow is now approximately 10 years and should be lowest on their list of considerations when deciding whether or not to come to PDT vs going to another airline.

skytrails

Good grief you people need to think outside of the flow and outside of your little piedmont bubble. The amount of people that don’t have apps in just because they flow in 2 years is astonishing. That 2 years could be 2,000 spots on the seniority list. Also you guys need to realize that this year alone FedEx, Delta, AA, United, UPS and SWA will be hiring close to 4,000 pilots. That’s not even including the likes of Frontier, Spirit, Alaska, and ACMI. Those numbers will grow the next couple years to probably 5,000+ a year. So when I talk about a new hire not being here in 3-4 years it’s because of hiring, not some worthless flow. Next 3-4 years should see over 15,000 pilots hired at the airlines I named. Now add up the total number of regional pilots. I know military guys and gals will take some of those slots but the majority will be hired from the regionals. Not sure about you but I like my odds of being one of those 15,000

skytrails

A picture to help you understand. This is only retirements, doesn't even take into account hiring for growth.

evrbodysmugglin

Attrition is better than growth IMO. Guaranteed. Also add 10% ish for Med outs

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