havick206

Most of the street hires to AA from Envoy have been LCA’s. They don’t seem to have a problem pillaging the guys that keep the sausage factory running.

PDTFlyer

Either they do or another legacy will..

aviatore

I guess it’s safe to say that between Piedmont and Endeavor, I made the right choice in choosing Endeavor despite the long reserve times I’ll hit after training. Looking at it, it was a matter of accepting below average QOL and lower pay at Piedmont, vs no flow at Endeavor for what that’s worth. Interestingly enough, it seems that I’ll be holding a line at both companies in about the same timeframe considering delays.

Does anyone know if Piedmont would expect some sort of compensation for me backing out of an ATP CTP class at the end of next month? They sort of forced me to choose a date (haven’t signed anything) when I got the offer and I plan to call them at the end of the week to tell them thanks but no thanks.

MKUltra

Nope you don't owe pdt anything...

The flow for new hires isn't worth 8 to 9 years of being treated like poop here... unless you are a poor candidate, arrests, dwi, check ride failures etc. Than the flow is worth it... but 8 to 9 years is a long time in piedmont prison...

Otterbox

You don’t owe PDT anything if you never accepted $ or signed anything.

Make sure you tell them where you’re going instead and articulate why. Feedback like that does make its way up the food chain.

aviatore

Absolutely agreed. I was optimistic in thinking the company might have been apt for growth bringing the flow numbers up and flow time down but the math really doesn't check out. I remember reading on one of these threads that Piedmont can't really take on that many more jets (limited by scope and company infrastructure) meaning that there probably won't be another tremendous increase in pilots like there was in the past 2 years. Doesn't smell great coupled with the other woes pilots have to go through over here.

aviatore

Got it thanks. I'll be polite about it but I'll be sure to voice my concerns that I'm having.

Otterbox

A TA bringing Endeavor pay/QOL items would have positioned PDT for a large amount of growth supporting managements goal of 100+ aircraft and 1500 pilots.

With the garbage TA the union leadership accepted and sent to the pilot group for a vote there’s a possibility PDT will end up shrinking (recently a goal of 20 NH pilots brought a net gain of 6 to the pilot group as attrition picked up after the TA came out) long term as ACMIs and LCC pay increases pull Captains away from the flow in addition to OTS legacy hiring and FOs who could stay to upgrade to CA go to other better paying regionals to sit in the left seat or to well paying airlines as FOs.

The lost decade concept that regionals only have to stay competitive with other regionals to keep talent because no higher tier airlines were hiring has been overtaken by events. Regionals now compete with ACMIs (Omni and Kalitta etc. paying $107-110/hr first year), LCCs (Spirit, JetBlue Allegant etc. paying $96- 117/hr second year) to retain Captain qualified talent... $65/hr @ year three on the Captain side of the aircraft isn’t going to cut it anymore. Anyone leaving will make more in their second year than they would staying to be a 12 year captain @$93/hr... their QOL will be better than 4-6 on 2 off and 11 days off a months also.

Lahey

per the newsletter on company website...we aren't growing anymore. this is the size we will be for the foreseeable future.

Duffman

I think the whole point is the rate of pilots retiring, alone, is higher than the rate of new ATPs and that the giant stack of qualified pilots is rapidly drying up.

The AF only trains about 1,000 pilots a year, not sure about the Navy and the Army, but spread those pilots over all of the Legacies and there isn't nearly enough to go around. Right now they still have some candidates left over from when it was such an employer's market, but that well will dry up pretty soon. Also, all pilots in the Navy and AF need degrees, not sure about corporate pilots, but aside from Army WOs, I don't see how getting rid of the degree requirement would tap into a game-changing resource of pilots, at least in the near term.

Either way, as hiring picks up, the flow will commensurately pick up.