Newstick189

I don't think that's necessarily true. I don't think there is enough wiggle room left in AA scope to allow ENY to have all 2700 pilots flying 175's. I think from a cost standpoint they're trying to ensure each WO has their own type of aircraft to maintain for cost synergies. However, ENY is an expert at the 145 at this point so I don't think they give them all up.


Remember, these jets have 5 years roughly left on them before they are cycled out. The future is as clear as mud, but we're in a prime position to hire to cover attrition at this point and let our training backlog finally catch up to the jets we brought on board. It's my belief that is what we will probably do for 2018-2019.

MantisToboggan

You think with the upcoming pilot crisis at AA, that they will give up scope (a concession, I remind you)?

flysooner9

It’s not going to happen overnight but I think that’s the long term goal. However talking about long term futures of regionals is pointless since again IMO the whole industry will probably be down to 4 or 5 large regionals.

Sooner rather then later (unless a major event happens) regionals will no longer be able to keep up with attrition no matter what they offer. This is all ready happening at some shops.

Pilsung

Has there been any word on the negotiations or did I completely miss any announcements and this is old news?

Otterbox

Everyone has a price.

MKUltra

From what i hear, there doesn't came backat the 11th for four concessions the mec isn't willing to give up.

Until people stop showing up to us envoy abed psa the will be no improvements

TransWorld

One adjustment to what you said. A year ago I talked with one of the heads of training with Envoy. As there are some routes that will not support 76 seats, Envoy will still have some E-145/140s with a large chunk of E-175s.

Lvlng4Spd

This is the truth. We grew almost 400 pilots just on the flow and jets. That has to dwindle before any significant gains are made. Too bad so sad.

MantisToboggan

How fast the pilot group stopped asking about the negotiations is telling. I haven't heard anyone mention it in nearly two weeks. Maybe if we stopped rolling over.....

I apparently hurt some feelings on here sticking up for what we deserve. If we don't put up a fight, it will never change

Newstick189

It's tough to get anything accomplished if you aren't in a position to demand a change. Our classes are full, and nobody here is in a position to strike since this is some half-assed midterm negotiation. Not to mention our wagon is hitched to PSA and ENY. The whipsaw is a two way street, race to the bottom and crawl to the top.

I could only imagine this new LOA will contain nothing but minor changes to things that are QOL issues such as interface and schedule efficiency. I sincerely doubt we will be able to pull wages above our WO peers. And the worst part, if we vote no? I doubt our situation changes. Classes are STILL full and people know damn well our schedules are terrible, our pay is bottom tier, and our future isn't as bright as the other WO.

So yeah, there's not much to talk about. There's also nothing to roll over on because we're in a system that prevents us from being able to make tangible changes in such a short time frame. The best thing to do is keep potential newhires informed about what is really going on here so they can make informed decisions. Maybe over time that will yield the change.